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Please do not make this post into a pissing match... Thank you

Transman are you wanting to bet me $2000 that your dog can lap my dog in a brace? While running a rabbit the correct way ?

Not that I dont think a hound is not capable of lapping the right pack of dogs but it sounds odd that a rabbit being pursued by a hound would run up on a pack of hounds running in order to consider it a lap, maybe it was one of the baby rabbits that run a 10' circle.

shewwww , lets go run some hounds

Perhaps if we all concentrated on reproducing hounds that can run with minimal losses at an average speed we would find that the overall speed of our hounds would increase. I enjoy listening to a medium speed dog that can run with few losses more than one that occasionally can put on a show on certain days but runs in sporadic bursts of speed on the majority of average running days.

I will only post this one time on this topic.
A wise man once said " walk softly and carry a big stick"
Trans my suggestion tomsave yourself a lot of gief and undo flack is to keep runnign this hound until you feel he is ready for an event. At the time cut him loose and let chips fall where they may. What has a chance of happening is that you promote this hound this hard this soon and fallsmshort of the mark for whatever reason the comments will only become worse. If he does go to trials and he has been pumped up and falls short of the the judges estimation who's fault is yours for over stating abilities or the hounds.
JMHO
Tom summers

Transman, chapco, sound the same and bullshit the same. Legends in there own minds maybe you should brace ole tank and Charlie Harper together.

Hare Chaser, I think you have it! A lot of folks like speed because it is all they know, very little else is understood about houndwork and if they are only looking at speed than it saves them many years of trying to understand what a hound is doing and perhaps why he is doing it. They can be experts right out of the box, what do you have to know , ----which dog is in front,---- they are now qualified as houndsmen, saved them a lot of time and head-scratching, and they don't have to go learn a bunch of stuff. It also makes them expert breeders right out of the box, as speed is the easiest trait to breed for, darn if this hound game ain't easy, isn't it? Also there are trials where speed is rewarded at a greater rate than other real qualities, the judges in these trials are usually the same houndsmen and breeding experts I spoke of earlier! Now, that I have said all of that let me also say that is fine with me, that is the game they enjoy, I can tell you their idea of good check work is different than mine , their idea of point of loss is different than mine, their idea of control is different than mine, I would get sick of their hounds ( actually have been sick of them for many years) regardless of how many rabbits they herded back to the gun. Some think that the only point is to get the rabbit back to the gun SOMEHOW, I feel sorry for them as they will never understand the beauty of good houndwork! Speed is like pressure and resistance, it is necessary to a point , most reasonable folks understand the task at hand and know when each has come to the point of greatest usefulness, others just lose sight or never understood to begin with!

no matter what style they run if they ran the track and then circled the rabbit back to you dogs you might want to consider diff dogs lol

the post is asking for the most dominating performance you have witnessed right. so I posted mine, so why the hate ? dose a whole like Ron set the standard ? sorry Casey I did not plan these, I will say no more.

transman 63, I wrote quite a bit and actually kind of got off on a different trail, most of what I wrote wasn't aimed at you, only what was in the post I addressed to you . Perhaps you weren't including me in your last post either, I just wanted to say I am not on your case, as you say you stated an opinion based on your knowledge/ experience, as I said I am a little skeptical not of your word, only that our opinions of certain actions may differ, but hey, as I stated earlier I could be wrong about that! Also It wouldn't be hard to come to the conclusion that a particular hound had a lot of control after watching a lot of the reckless speed demons that some folks call good hounds run. I always come away feeling better about my hounds after watching some of them run. no hate here!

Hare Chaser wrote:Perhaps if we all concentrated on reproducing hounds that can run with minimal losses at an average speed we would find that the overall speed of our hounds would increase. I enjoy listening to a medium speed dog that can run with few losses more than one that occasionally can put on a show on certain days but runs in sporadic bursts of speed on the majority of average running days.

Nailed it!!!

gwyoung wrote:Hare Chaser, I think you have it! A lot of folks like speed because it is all they know, very little else is understood about houndwork and if they are only looking at speed than it saves them many years of trying to understand what a hound is doing and perhaps why he is doing it. They can be experts right out of the box, what do you have to know , ----which dog is in front,---- they are now qualified as houndsmen, saved them a lot of time and head-scratching, and they don't have to go learn a bunch of stuff. It also makes them expert breeders right out of the box, as speed is the easiest trait to breed for, darn if this hound game ain't easy, isn't it? Also there are trials where speed is rewarded at a greater rate than other real qualities, the judges in these trials are usually the same houndsmen and breeding experts I spoke of earlier! Now, that I have said all of that let me also say that is fine with me, that is the game they enjoy, I can tell you their idea of good check work is different than mine , their idea of point of loss is different than mine, their idea of control is different than mine, I would get sick of their hounds ( actually have been sick of them for many years) regardless of how many rabbits they herded back to the gun. Some think that the only point is to get the rabbit back to the gun SOMEHOW, I feel sorry for them as they will never understand the beauty of good houndwork! Speed is like pressure and resistance, it is necessary to a point , most reasonable folks understand the task at hand and know when each has come to the point of greatest usefulness, others just lose sight or never understood to begin with!

Good post!

I saw McDaniels Hope bitch put on a clinic in Indiana last year but i will say i would like to see this brace go down that has been talked about. This may be the event to watch! Could be the most dominating performance that could go down in beagle history. I know this, for a $2000 bet,i want to watch for sure! I will bring the popcorn and beer!!

I witnessed FCGD Thompsons Try my Patience put on a clinic at White Water this spring in the winners pack she ran 20 yards ahead and almost caught the rabbit twice .Also I witnessed Rabbit Ridge Big Tuna put a show on at the Coshocton ,Ohio Mid West trial 3 years ago I believe at 2 mos shy of 8 years old he placed 1st placing ahead of younger and a lot of the big name dogs going at the time it was a good day .

Years ago I had an old dog named Buford. old buford was so smart he would circle a rabbit one time to see how it was going to run then he would set down and wait for it to come back through and catch it.I would bring a sack full of rabbits home without firing a shot. Owner Ray Helton

If anyone has trouble believing that, take it up with Minus Ray Helton. lol