Global Warming

[Rabbithoundjb]

And you would be a bigger flipping idiot to believe that money is not what is driving this entire issue. I am by no means saying that people have no influence but Geeez oh Pete don't we have larger issues then .5 degree one way or the other over decades of time.

[Newt]

you would have to be a total flipping idiot not to believe that 7 billion people wouldn't have any influence on the world climate

One volcano eruption will have more affect on the global environment than all man made pollution combined.

Volcanic Eruptions Cause Global Cooling: Man Made Pollution Has a Very Small Effect

"Global temperatures over time are dependent on major volcanic eruptions and not on man made pollution as the global warming crowd claims. Volcanic eruptions have caused some heating, but the main effects have been global cooling.

There are many examples of global cooling, some of which are described in the following paragraphs. (Reference 1,2) Approximately 74,000 years ago there was an eruption of a volcano in Java named Toba. This eruption is described by volcanists as “Humongous.” The eruption killed almost all humans on earth at that time. This is not a theory but is well established by scientific data from different sources. They include geologists, geneticists, anthropologists, and others. (Reference 1,2)

We are a single species which we all are descended from and survived in east Africa. From there this migration has been traced first east, then north and east, and later west. Recently Science Daily, (May 10, 2007, reference 3) reports that new research DNA data shows that the Australian Aborigine people came from the same genetic background as the people who migrated out of east Africa. The same is true for the people of New Guinea.

The estimated eruption volume of the Toba eruption is fourteen cubic miles. This is based on evidence from a large number of sources. It is enormous compared to the pollution that the global warming crowd claims is doing so much damage. There is evidence that there were a number of years of global cooling with freezing or near freezing temperatures along the equator with lower temperatures at higher latitudes (Reference 1)."
http://www.thescienceforum.com/general- ... ffect.html

We need more volcanoes to keep us cooler, thwart man made global warming.

Jim i'm guessing that you and MO5000 are doing your part by using solar and wind to keep warm this winter. Did you know that the Obama Progressives now have their sights on eliminating wood burning stoves.
Their madness will never stop, it has no bounds. Their existence depends on creating a crisis so they can fix it with our money.
They are smarter than the average Joe. Proof? They designed Obamacare. How many bureaucrats does Obamacare give a paycheck?

[beowolfe]

obama is using the epa to wage his war on coal. i can not wait to see what liberals have to say when the consumers electric bill increases 70 to 80 percent. obamas war on coal will put more americans in the unemployment line other industries depend on cheap electricity. i guess his state of the union address where he was going to create more jobs was nothing more than propaganda and lies. you know if you like your job you can keep your job period.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

I guess that would depend on ones definition of open minded. If you mean no clear difference between right and wrong I guess open minded would apply. To me Al Gore is a liberal just like Obama, enough said.

Temperatures have always cycled, global warming is a farce.

Very well stated.

[jim matuszewski]

volcano eruptions are great natural argument and are very relavent when it comes to climate change , probably caused the last ice age. that's going to happen . but to not think that human population isn't having a measurable impact on the worlds climate , and environments is not very realistic . move to china ,see what you think about environmental protection . there was no need for environmental protection needed from the acid rain from the coal burning factories in Canada in the 70's? closer to home is how all the paper mills have made the fox river toxic? there is ton of money spent and waisted on both sides of this. and by the way the sun and the wind are also natural resources ,don't think by anyway you could run the whole world on it but it sure helps. also seen on yahoo scientists are saying our harsh winter is because the artic is warmer causing the jet stream to stay lower.

[Newt]

If it is the hottest on record, the dems will at minimum implicitly imply that it is a result of global warming. If it is the coldest on record, dems will either implicity imply that it is a result of global warming...or tell point out that weather is not the same as climate.

Every time I hear an event happening, freezing, a flood, a drought, etc, I also hear some quote along the lines of "this is the worst since 1931, 1876, 1912" (or some other random date that the event equaled)

SO my question is, what was the cause of the event in the past? Or Dems arguing that the climate change is actually a "returning to past" climate change? All of these events have a history of happening in the past. So why is today considered "change".

All of it is a campaign to play upon people's fear in an attempt to get major tax revenue additions. Its working.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

obama is using the epa to wage his war on coal. i can not wait to see what liberals have to say when the consumers electric bill increases 70 to 80 percent. obamas war on coal will put more americans in the unemployment line other industries depend on cheap electricity. i guess his state of the union address where he was going to create more jobs was nothing more than propaganda and lies. you know if you like your job you can keep your job period.

Well, you should go to China. I hear they have no smog issues and burning coal is working so well for them.

[beowolfe]

no point of moving to china obama is trying to turn this country into china so i will just wait and see what happens.

[Newt]

Well, you should go to China. I hear they have no smog issues and burning coal is working so well for them.

I wonder why, with all the whining about environmental pollution, the government keeps approving trade agreements that allow goods into the country from polluting countries. We have had poison dog food, lead in toys, contaminated food, and building materials. We can't burn coal but we ship it to China. They burn it, increasing the CO2 in the atmosphere, yet Barry keeps increasing the demands on our industry.

Report: Americans completely reliant on China for antibiotics
http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/repor ... tibiotics/

We keep making stiffer demands on our industry yet we don't hold foreign competitors to the same standard.

[jim matuszewski]

no point of moving to china obama is trying to turn this country into china so i will just wait and see what happens.

selling out this county to china has been going on before this administration and is continuing with the current one ,that i agree . but you kinda blew up any environmental argument about Obama by saying he is turning us into china . that also makes no sense , if he was turning us into china would be better for your argument we wound be exhausting all our resources and pollution don't matter

[beowolfe]

china does not use clean coal technology that is their main problem. do you think green energy does cause pollution?

[beowolfe]

obama wants to turn america into a socialist republic maybe part china part russia. he wants to be a supreme leader that way he can use his phone and pen even more. obama care was never about health care its about power and control.

[beowolfe]

Obama was influenced by the writings and philosophies Saul Alinsky, author of the book, "Rules for Radicals," and later by Frank Marshall Davis, with similar philosophies.

Barak Obama followed the philosophies of these 'role models' throughout his days as a Community Organizer for ACORN, using tactics that appeared to some as 'shaking down' businesses in exchange for not branding them 'hate groups.'

And apparently Obama is still following those radical rules today.

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think ...

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States

[jim matuszewski]

Obama was influenced by the writings and philosophies Saul Alinsky, author of the book, "Rules for Radicals," and later by Frank Marshall Davis, with similar philosophies.

Barak Obama followed the philosophies of these 'role models' throughout his days as a Community Organizer for ACORN, using tactics that appeared to some as 'shaking down' businesses in exchange for not branding them 'hate groups.'

And apparently Obama is still following those radical rules today.

How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky:

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.

The first is the most important.

1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Now, think ...

Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States

class wefare was created by the right , I'm no left winger by far just in the middle but it dosnt take a president to separate the rich from the poor , the rich got that covered all by them selfs

[Rabbithoundjb]

Jim I hate to break some bad news to you buddy but the poor are more responsible for being poor then the rich are for them being poor. Take a look around you what does it take to get out of poverty. 1st finish school, 2nd go to work, further that education, do both, 3rd don't have children until your married. Look at our society and those trapped in poverty and see how many didn't complete that list. Look at those who did pull themselves out and see how many of them did complete that list. Getting out of poverty is the responsibility of the person trapped in it. I would really like to hear you expand on you comment that class warfare was created by the right because I think that is another blame game for those that do not except responsibility for themselves. It's always someone else's fault that they are where they are. I haven't seen the right demanding the poor take care of the rich. I grew up very poor and busted my azz to work and go to school to get out and let me tell you I am offended by those that constantly blame someone else for their poor choices.