Who has more influence on pups, parents or grand parents??

[gwyoung]

Lil. Bredemeier, Now that's funny right there, what say ye about that Likeem" ?
Woodhavenrabbitdogs, -- Good post!

[JUDE]

I don't know who has the most influence but if a dog has a bad habit I believe that you can often look back if you know
the ancestors and find the reason in one of them.This is the reason we need to cull, not try to"breed" the bad genes
out with other dogs.jmo

[likeemfast]

Lil. Bredemeier, Now that's funny right there, what say ye about that Likeem" ?
Woodhavenrabbitdogs, -- Good post!

GW, that was funny right there, but by now YOU outta know it don't matter what anybody think bout "LIKEM". . Im just a dumb old rabbit hunter, that knows nothing, well not that old. Now back to the topic of Casey's question ........... Have at it in a nice way.

[gwyoung]

Likeem' Speaking of rabbit hunting, how is the weather up your way, I haven't been out for awhile, Dogs can go but the rabbits can't. Snow melted down some yesterday. Supposed to be real cold out Tomorrow but I think I will go anyway if we don't get a bunch more powder , I am just gonna take young dogs but I am not worried about them getting cold as their Grand-Mother didn't get cold easy!

[brad stewart]

So if I wanted a dog to turn out like a specific male would I have better luck geting his traits by breeding my gyp to him or just goto the source his sir just a thought

[bluecollar beagler]

So if I wanted a dog to turn out like a specific male would I have better luck geting his traits by breeding my gyp to him or just goto the source his sir just a thought

U would go to the male. whose to say that male didnt get some of his traits from his dam. just my opinion. look at guys breeding the shooter bloodlines. now there watching the crosses and going to pawking or butkus etc. to try and get some of the dams traits instead of going to shooter. 1 bc the dogs r that good and two bc the cross with that specific dam was so successful.

with that being said. If the males dam had traits i didnt like id consider going to the sire. i think it all plays hand in hand with knowing ur bloodlines and dogs your working with. Over the past few years researching and talking to ppl w hands on knowledge of the style and bloodlines of dogs i run ive found traits ive noticed and contributed it to certain dogs in my pedigrees. Good and bad.

[gwyoung]

Brad, If your question is still dealing with the topic at hand, Parents or Grandparents, and if you were of the thinking that Grandparents had the most influence Then you couldn't get the traits of the male you wanted by breeding to HIM or his SIRE. If you bred to his Sire your pups would have the traits of his Grandsire or their great-grand Sire. If you bred to Him your pups would have the traits of his Sire or your pup's grandsire. If you are of this line of thinking ( stop it) you would have to breed to the SON of the dog of which you wanted the traits!! I think I wrote what I was trying to say ( haven't even had my morning Whiskey yet and it is afternoon) Fortunately, the truth of the matter is, just breed to the dog that you are trying to get the traits from, he will exert the greatest amount of influence, more so than his Sire, Grand-Sire, great Grand-Sire etc:

[Casey Harner]

So if I wanted a dog to turn out like a specific male would I have better luck geting his traits by breeding my gyp to him or just goto the source his sir just a thought

U would go to the male. whose to say that male didnt get some of his traits from his dam. just my opinion. look at guys breeding the shooter bloodlines. now there watching the crosses and going to pawking or butkus etc. to try and get some of the dams traits instead of going to shooter. 1 bc the dogs r that good and two bc the cross with that specific dam was so successful.

with that being said. If the males dam had traits i didnt like id consider going to the sire. i think it all plays hand in hand with knowing ur bloodlines and dogs your working with. Over the past few years researching and talking to ppl w hands on knowledge of the style and bloodlines of dogs i run ive found traits ive noticed and contributed it to certain dogs in my pedigrees. Good and bad.

Shooter is no longer for stud, but if he were do you think they wouldn't go back to him??

[warddog]

Who passes more traits off to pups??

The guy (handler) who trains and brings out the best in each pup

OMG likeemfast, that one right there had me ROTFLMAO! Man, how I love this entertainment. Dog A worthless cull bred to dog B another worthless cull but in the hands of a beagle "trainer" them and ALL their pups world class rabbit hounds.

[likeemfast]

Warddog, Obviously reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I made both my posts on this thread very simple to understand, or I least I thought I did. Sorry your so confused. Maybe you should just stick to pretending you know a lot about dog food, or maybe just the stuff you can afford. ROTFLMAO !!!

[warddog]

No confusion on my part with reading comprehension as I suppose that is part of the reason why I know about dog foods as I can not only read but UNDERSTAND the ingredients as well as how and what they are derived from. The other part is probably that I was around all these things when some were doing the yellow stuff in their diapers. It's called experience, the test of time, history or flat out life. I don't know the age of many, on these sites but have always stated that some are like E.F. Hutton as when they speak I listen and others are like a fart in the wind. When one of these young whipper-snappers unlock the secrets of genetics and or beagle training that has been on this ole earth for hundreds of years, so that we can ALL read that same person consistently being the one and only number one winner then I may turn my head their way. So far in my life time I've not seen that happen yet, but I sure do see a lot of them self proclaimed trainers of rabbit dogs. Now, if one of them can take my wife's Fifi and train her to consistently circle rabbits to the end game then I'll take another look at them, until that time the farts are a many blowing in the wind. As I have stated there are some E.F. Hutton types on these boards and although they may NOT have unlocked the total package they have obviously put in the time to have gained the experience of knowing what or how to do things. I don't know any of them personally but will venture to say they have been doing what they do A LONG time and have been through many a hound that they just couldn't bring it out of. They have been successful in honing and or bringing out the best of many hounds and if that makes them a trainer then YES I will agree BUT to think they actually teach a dog anything just isn't in my comprehension as GOD has given them the tools they need and if NOT no man shall teach or train that into it. These specific breeds are specialist of Mother Nature born with the instincts to do what they do and minus Man's interference with domestication the best would rise to the top NOT BECAUSE OF MAN BUT DISPITE OF HIM as it's called the survival of the fittest. As for reading comprehension it is quite obvious that there are many who have taken the time to do the research or have completed academic studies and then tested what they have read against actual hands on experience time and time again. I can only speak to what I know and that is I have been around hunting hounds my entire life and followed them as soon as I was old enough to walk. I have seen them fed anything and everything over those years and have feed mine whatever I thought was the best bang for my buck. I ran my coon hounds against and with some of the top dogs in the country in my day some of which were feeding the so-called "PREMIUM" dog foods while I was feeding the Rural King store brand and guess what, they not only held up, but were very competitive! One last thought on dog food, I've got 5 in my kennels right now, ranging in age from 4 to 13 that have been together their entire lives. All fed the same dog food at the same proportions and they all are in different flesh. One fat, one thin, one shinny coat, one a little dull and one comes and goes with his weight but right now he's a little heavy. They will all hunt when turned into the filed and do so until I peter out. They have also been on the EACT same ration of feed in 55 gallon plastic drum dog houses with a gunny sack and survived the harsh cold temps we have had. This cheap ole feed MUST be doing what it is supposed to as they have all survived and in FACT one has for 13 years and is still in good flesh even though she can't hear or keep up with the younger dogs she still shall try! NUFF SAID

[likeemfast]

Warddog, obviously if you think there is not a difference in the GUY or PERSON, (Handler A) who handles hounds compared to (Handler B) who handles hounds then all your years from when you were a toddler till now you have not learned a blessed thing, IMO. I dont mean the handler crawls on the ground barking on a rabbit that was kicked out and tries to show a pup how to follow it using its nose. Anyone who knows anything, knows what i mean. Time an lots of it goes into the making of a great hound. Solo time, solo time, solo time and more solo time usually goes into the making of a great hound. That is accomplised by the guy, (HANDLER) (TRAINER) giving the hound all the time it needs. Some hounds which may of been just average in Handler B's hands have championed because they were in Handler A's kennel. I stick by my original post and anyone who knows anything about hounds and training hounds understands what im talking about. Obviously you, with all your years of following hounds from the time you could walk have not learned all that much. I'm sorry all your years in the field have gone to waste.

As far as dog feed goes, as i posted before, which is why you seem to have a problem with me, are we to think all the time and effort that has gone into the "dog food advisor" website is just unproven babbling? I think i know who is the unproven babbler, and its you WARDDOG. Your like the teacher on the Charlie Brown episodes, you hear noise but dont understand anything the teacher is saying, all i hear from you is BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH when i read your posts.

I certainly dont profess to know everything, but what i do know is obviously, ...... i know more than you. So wether you think i am still crapping yellow, or im too young to know anything, or different handlers cant make a difference on a young hound means very little to me and shows how little you actually know. So keep peddling your boloney about dog feeds and how they dont matter. The proof is in your kennel with some being fat, thin, and of course coats that dont shine. For one, you dont feed the individual dog you just feed the dogs and two you feed garbage and your hounds with dull coats are not healthy. You were lucky to have coon hounds with great desire to accomplish the task they were bred to do which is the only reason they ran with other hounds that were fed better diets. It does not mean they were at their optimum health. As ive stated many times, YOU CANT FEED A HOUND DESIRE. Obviously your coon hounds had desire. I will and have out worked many on Big MACS n soda all the while they were eating grilled chicken, veggies and drinking water. It does not mean im healthier than they are. Im just happy you were able to put all those years into your profession and not get fired from actually not learning anything. Lucky you. AND NOW, .............. NUFF SAID !!!

As for this Influence on Pups, ..... Casey, ......I APOLOGIZE for going off TOPIC, it was not at all my intention, its just some "self proclaimed" ive been running hounds for 70 years and no yungin is gonna call me out guys, ..... actually dont know SQUAT.

[warddog]

The wind is blowin and it's packin a smell,
I only wished that howling had something to tell.
Blowing in the wind without proof of what they say,
Take me back to those ole diaper changing day.
Yes, there was a time in the spring or was it the fall,
that I myself thought that I knew it all.
There comes a time in the life of a lad,
that they look back for the smartest person they had
only to realize they called him DAD.

[likeemfast]

The wind is blowin and it's packin a smell,
I only wished that howling had something to tell.
Blowing in the wind without proof of what they say,
Take me back to those ole diaper changing day.
Yes, there was a time in the spring or was it the fall,
that I myself thought that I knew it all.
There comes a time in the life of a lad,
that they look back for the smartest person they had
only to realize they called him DAD.

Instead of waiting tables in the local pizza shop and calling it working in the food industry, ya should of become a poet. Your hounds would of eaten better too, pizza is good healthy stuff.

[warddog]

No need to reply further as it is obvious to those of us who know, we just know. I'm done here and you can have the last word as I don't think I need say more as you are pretty good at saying it for me.