The American Beagler Forum

Big lake beagles · Post by **Big lake beagles** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:04 pm

What is the difference between UKC/NKC. Have run only NKC but with what was said I think I need to look for something else I need a back up plan.

Post by **Bev** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:07 pm

There's a topic of this very nature on the UKC board. You may need to register to post, but I think you can read it if you go to this link:
http://ukcdogs.com/forums/showthread.ph ... adid=27344

big lake beagles · Post by **big lake beagles** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:43 am

Yes, I went to MSN search and found it. It is a lot different than NKC. Even sound fun.

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:02 am

Give UKC a try, you'll like it. I'm new to the sport and it's been lots of fun hanging out at the trials. Great people, fun format, fair rules for pretty much any style of good hunting beagle.

Big Lake Kennels · Post by **Big Lake Kennels** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:03 am

I live in Blytheville AR. Is their any around this part of the woods.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:52 pm

just wish they would promote a better dog

houndsound · Post by **houndsound** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:20 pm

LOL, what's that mean?????? A comment like that means very little for two reasons. 1. You didn't actually say what their doing to promote "lesser" dogs or what you think they should do to promote better dogs. 2. You forgot to put your name on your post.

Lamarr Rhoades · Post by **Lamarr Rhoades** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:39 pm

I have only went to ba few but I have always had fun.The only thing I seen I didnt like was it seemed do to not having many checks,the dogs that did good in UKC wouldnt bark very fast coming out of a check area,therefore allowing them to get ahead of the other dogs before they would bark.I seen a dog get 3 first lines doing that.Also I think there should be some guidelines on how far a dog can be off the line before it was scored.It seemed the lines were scored very tight.I also think people that run ARHA and AKC might have a problem with the way they measure there dogs,its a little bit different.For the most part thow its a good format,but like all other things you see stuff you dont like.

Chief Long Hair · Post by **Chief Long Hair** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 7:18 pm

Lamarr Rhoades, that "not barking very fast out of a check area" in AKC trails is called slipping the line and is considered a fault. Not many people in beagling are aware of this term. A dog will be and should be scratched for it in this registry. To me it's just as bad as rough running. UKC should also consider it if they truely want to promote "The Total Dog" but I've been told from the people of UKC and a member of their rules committee it can't be done because they don't know how to word the rule effectively. I've tried to word it myself and found it to be almost imposible. Any suggestions would be welcomed. Lamarr, as you can tell this burns me a little bit, it cost a win at a good event. I'm not hell bent on it but a fault is a fault. Let me close by saying that I have been and will continue to promote UKC as my prefered choice of trailing. It suits me just fine, with or without a rule on slipping the line.

Buckeye Bob · Post by **Buckeye Bob** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:02 pm

You guys lost me on "slipping a line",can you explain further?

Post by **Bev** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:26 pm

Bob, slipping a line is when a hound grabs a check or line, moves out with it, and doesn't proclaim (give mouth) right away in an effort to gain some ground on the other dogs. Even tight-mouthed dogs who only bark once every 60 yds (lol) will generally proclaim immediately before taking off with the line. It' a sign of over-competitiveness and frowned upon at all the trials I know of.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:31 am

Bev wrote:Bob, slipping a line is when a hound grabs a check or line, moves out with it, and doesn't proclaim (give mouth) right away in an effort to gain some ground on the other dogs. Even tight-mouthed dogs who only bark once every 60 yds (lol) will generally proclaim immediately before taking off with the line. It' a sign of over-competitiveness and frowned upon at all the trials I know of.

So, what if you have one that from a pup, even when running solo, might go say???? 20-25 ft without giving mouth. (and I know he has the line) WHat if this same dog, might be a little tight mouth but has a true mouth, one you can always trust on a trail? What if this same dog, does the same for 20ft, on a line that was struck by another dog with this same dog (the tight mouthed) running right behind him?

DG TX · Post by **DG TX** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:35 am

Another term for "Slipping the Line" is "Stealing the Line" Both mean the same. Guest, your "pup" is just showing signs of atill being just that, a pup

Will probably come out of it with experience

bunnie harvester · Post by **bunnie harvester** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:20 am

Another phrase for this sin is" sneaking the line", this is a fault that I will not tolerate at all, and as a Akc Judge, that was a fault that got you beat, most hounds that do this are jealous type hounds that are food fighters and bad kennel partners types,( it seemed to me to have a pattern), it`s very hard to score ,when a hound is running away and not saying a word,

A old timmer once told me """ That the rule was made for dogs that snuck outa the check""", as I once explained to a young beagler that dog was real bad, A hound must bark (proclaim) at the point of the check this alerts the others in the race he was on game and it was traveling this direction...most of us know that it can be a few feet in between scent tracks, but not every check and not all day.......To me this is enterferience(SP)

Post by **Bev** » Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:21 am

bunnie, that's an interesting observation that the line slipper was often the food-fighter and otherwise jealous dog in the kennel.