Crying Like a Baby

[bucks better beagles]

Is it just me or has this board turned into a trade crying, people trashing, information less, wastebasket? I learned years ago that when I made a bad trade, I should just suck it up and move on. Crying over a bad trade is spoiled behavior?

[ridgrunner72]

I dont like the people bashing or the hound bashing but if someone had a deal go bad and the seller or service provider or the person purchasing said deal didnt or doesnt hold up their end of the agreed deal then i feel people should let other people know what happened.

I wouldnt want someone else haveing a bad experince if i could stop it from happening due to my own bad experince or atleast they would have the knowledge to be aware of the possibility of things going bad.

[bucks better beagles]

If a person gives you a trial period, say a week, and you take it and buy the dog. Is this a bad trade? If a person says "I guarantee that you will like this dog or your money back". You take it and keep it two weeks and decide you don't like it. Is this a bad trade? If a person tells you "this dog won't run a deer". You take it and keep it six months and it runs a deer. Is this a bad trade? If a person tells you a dog can run "a rabbit to death". You take it but it doesn't run a rabbit well in 90 degree weather. Is this a bad trade? If a person tells you a dog "will hunt like a wolf". You take it and it only hunts like a coyote. Is this a bad trade?

These are dogs and whether they are good dogs or not is strictly subjective in nature. To me, the price of the dog determines how much time I need to try it before I buy it. I only need about 10 minutes for $100 dog but may take a little more for a $500 dog. I buy many a dog my friends wouldn't have and sometimes I get burned.

I guess my question is a clarification of the term "bad trade" and why so many believe they should besmirched somebody's character because they make one. Expose them, perhaps, but recognize nobody twists anybody's arm or steals their money. The buyer makes a "decision" and it should be an informed one based on experience.

[Volfan]

Buck, I think I know where you are going with this but I could be wrong. To be truthful there is no good answer to your question. Main reason is no two people look at a dog in the same way. Example my hunting partner and I have totally different taste in dogs but we hunt a pack together all the time. If you take a dog on trail I feel it is your responsibility to make sure that dog suits you. So I put most of the blame on the buyer.But with that said if you have a known breeder and trailer that says a dog will do this then it should. I personally feel if you buy a running dog you have bought someones cull. Before everybody jumps on me let me explain. How many people on here have sold their best dog? Very few. I know there are circumstances that it happens but not much. If you have a really good dog why would you sell it. And I know there are people out there that are really picky but Im talkin in general. I know you cant try every dog or parents of every pup you buy, trust me I know that. Where I live not many people run the style of dog I like, so I buy pups hoping to develop them which doesnt always happen. So now with all that said it is a crap shoot as to what you will get if you buy a dog from anybody. But to get back to your question I think most people know the answer. The person you are talking about probably has some good hounds and they are selling hounds on that reputation. But I think this will all come out sooner or later. If you have someone that has pups started dogs and finished hounds for sale all the time, looks fishy to me. Who has that much time. This is a prime example of what is wrong with this sport now. Everybody wants to make a dollar. Why would any reputable breeder have so many dogs for sale? I know Im going to take a beating on this one but so what let me have it.

[bucks better beagles]

Volfan: I think you put it very well. I have no agenda but am just trying to find out why there are so many unhappy buyers and whiners. I think the onus is totally on the buyer in a dog trade. Especially when you get a trial and if you buy a dog without one, they you are just naive and need to learn how to buy dogs. I can't blame the seller for wanting to make a buck. I do think a seller should be as truthful as possible. What we have to remember is that a man references a dog based on his knowledge and experience with dogs. The buyer may have a totally different world view.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Just to clear up a few things,There was no trial. After finding out we got skinned we called and offered to sell it back for pennies on the dollars, No deal. No papers No truth. Now i aint the brightest but have sold a few. I dont sell one or have ever sold one that somebody called me back and ask to work a deal. I always got access to cash so i will make it right, i aint gonna skin even you buck! Ya know the dog was not even at her house it was in kentucky bought it at night sight unseen. Once again i trusted a fella person. I got ripped off as well as bobby. No biggie boys 1st ones on me next one aint gonna happen . Ya know years ago i spent more money on a lap dance at platinum in 30 mins. There is a moral to this story, dont buy dogs sight unseen or trust a word ANYONE Tells ya.More than likely its BS.

[bucks better beagles]

MVK: Good post. Made me smile. I would have expected you to have way more experience than to buy a dog without trial. As for taking advantage of me, more power to you. If I had a nickel for every bad trade I have made, I would make another one. I like a good story and uncovering rocks looking for gold, so to speak.

Keep the thoughts coming.

[bucks better beagles]

MVK: Here is an anecdote similar to yours. I have purchased a lot of dogs from my family based solely on what they say. Took them out, found out they were pieces of poopy, ask the boys if they would buy them back, been told no they didn't want them, and then put a bullet in their head. Would I buy another, of course.

[littlewoody]

THIS IS THE REASON I DONT BUY ADULT HOUNDS. ONLY PUPS I PUT IN THE HARD WORK TIME AND MONEY. IF I GOT A BAD PUP I'M GOING TO FIND A FAMILY THATS WANTS A PET. If sob lies to someone about a hound i think he should be called out. Thats the only way to make it stop. Years ago people wouldn't get away because everyone told and crime was small.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I guess after 25-30 years of dealing with people i was due but guess what? It aint no biggie but ya know buck i may have bought 15 dogs over 25 years . I Bred not Buy just kinda looking for a nice bred bitch pretty familiar with Ol bernards breeding and it did have his name attached . Check out the ped. Once again we have cut the loss and life goes one while traffic i believe will slow down to buy the greatest of all time from KK............. Yours Truly-Jimbo.

[warddog]

All I can say is if you sell me something and what you say or especially what you put in writting isn't the truth, I will be taking you to people's court. It's a matter of the principle of right and wrong. I don't care if it cost me more than I have invested as when I take you to court I will be doing so on the word of law. I've been involved in several cases where sellers tried to back out on their word or what was written and a prime example is my Thompson Center Seneca muzzle loader. I had this thing for many years and it came with a lifetime guarantee and thats why I bought it. After many, many years of shootin deer with it the thing would not hold a pattern so I sent it into Thompson Center to have it examined. I received a reply from them that the barrel rifling was not as tight as it should be and they couldn't replace the barrel because they had a fire and all the Seneca stuff burned including all the tooling so new barrels were not available. They did say that they would however credit me with the cost of what I paid for the Seneca when I bought it towards the purchase of a new rifle. To make a long story short I merely called them with their written warranty in hand and read lifetime warranty which showed that the firearm was guaranteed for as long as the original purchaser owned the firearm. Now, it wasn't long until the head honcho was asking what I wanted as a replacement because they knew the word of law was about to bite them in the back side. I have a brand new TC Black Mountain Magnum sitting in my gun cabinet that I've never fired because I use my TC White Mountain Carbine. Yes, I have several TC firearms as they have a lifetime guarantee in writting and I like to get what I pay for. The problem is most will not spend the time and effort for $300.00 but I'll guarantee you I will not only spend the time, the effort but the money just on the principle of being lied to. People get by with it because they are allowed to and if I have to go to court I'll be filing for my losses plus expenses and when the gavel comes down the culprit will be paying more than if they would have just given me my money back in the first place. No crying, no bawling, i'll offer the culprit the opportunity to make it right and if not I'll let a third party decide what is right and what is wrong.

[augerhead]

If I had a dollar for every time I've been cheated or lied to I might be able to buy ol sonic Buck things are different now than they used to be,used to laugh when you got took, kept you up on your toes.There are alot of people out there I would buy from on there word and alot more I wouldn't.But they way we were taught is never buy and cry, they might not be able to sell another dog to me, but they won't here me crying. Wardog, Wow i would never even consider a law suit over a dog trade

[dog]

i agree , it is the buyers responsibility to do their homework and not get ripped off , if you trust someones word and buy site unseen , dont cry about it ! move on and be smarter next time , thats why it takes so long for the courts to handle the important things , to many lawsuits going on over someones stupidity !

[dog]

i understand a lifetime warranty on a gun or a vehicle or something like that , but a dog , no way ! nothing is certain with dogs . again , as the saying goes " a fool and his money will soon part " dont be that fool , know what you are buying !

[warddog]

Folks a guarantee is a guarantee and I don't care if it's on a lifetime warranty on a gun a time limit warranty on your vehicle or on a dog. I've been a witness in a small claims court case when a two friends of mine got in a dispute over a washer/dryer and a waterbed that one was supposed to be keeping for the other. Amounted to about $500.00 worth of stuff and the one who owned the stuff got it back PLUS other charges that came to the maximum amount they could sue for in small claims court. The one holding the stuff would have been money ahead to purchase those items and as it turned out he would have been able to buy them much cheaper than what he paid as he ended up only renting them for a pretty hefty sum of money. Stuff like this goes on because it's allowed to. Cryin is when all you do is talk, I like "live Action" and settle it in people's court. yeyeyeyeye, LIVE ACTION!