The American Beagler Forum

I just got a call from a friend that had sold a AKC reg dog last year, The deal was a 2 week trial with cash in hand, Well the "guy" liked the dog and said he wanted him that day ( no need for the 2 week trail)and the deal was made,The papers were not "in hand" at the time of deal due to the 2 week trail (friend will not give out papers until the deal is 100% a done deal), "Friend" offered to allow pickup on papers before the deal and was "told" no that the papers didnt matter, "Friend" kept papers and still has them, He got a call yesterday from a guy he knows and was told he bought a dog that looks like the one he sold and wanted to know if this was the same dog, "Friend" goes and looks at this dog and sure enough its him, When the "guy" sold him he gave him papers for another dog which are wrong, This is wrong , why do people do things like this ? Mess up a good thing for a hr drive and a little gas to make it right, I will NOT give names of dog or people involved, reason 1) I dont need enemy's, 2) not my problem

Friend is meeting with the new owner and giving him the PROPER papers on the dog, So it will be fixed and no harm done (this time)
All my dogs are grade and I have no concerns when it comes to "reg dogs/papers" but this stuff makes me mad, Another reason I never gave a crap about papers, I judge the dog in the field and not what the papers say (and always will) I will never buy a dog/pup because of what the papers say

Just had to vent.....

You should call him out on it This guy should not being doing stuff like this it could really mess someone up who does care about papered dogs and those who trail, But I understand where your at not wanting to get involved, But as honest men we need to let it be known about this guy !

He is being reported to AKC, I will give the name of the "guy" when this matter is resolved through the AKC and the dog has his proper papers

i think this happens more than we think, it jus't so happened this guy got cought,but what about the ones that don't get cought,when you go buyin and tradin from people you don't know anything about then you take a chance on things like this happening,it's a shame but the world we live in today ain't as honest as it use to be,some people are more worried about makin a dollar and will slam there own name to do it,

cpuckett wrote:i think this happens more than we think, it jus't so happened this guy got cought,but what about the ones that don't get cought,when you go buyin and tradin from people you don't know anything about then you take a chance on things like this happening,it's a shame but the world we live in today ain't as honest as it use to be,some people are more worried about makin a dollar and will slam there own name to do it,

I agree 100%

I was offered AKC papers for my 2 red dogs (they are grade) so I could register the pups when I bred them, I declined the offer
Now I have 4 grade red dogs

I hope they burn his AZZ, I take pic`s of all my pups, as well as the mateing that way there is no mistake,and if I knew some one was doing this blantly I would have him or them prosecuted. Corase the way AKC handels things you could be dead of old age before it`s settled. I`m still waiting.It ain`t finished yet.

Just found out there is a second party involved, 1 man supplied the dog and the other the papers (they are partners), they are both being reported to AKC, another good thing is my "friend" had the dog DNA'ed when he owned/raised him, I hope AKC throws the book at them....

That really burns me up people like that is why AKC is getting hard to deal with I had just about the same thing happen to me when i looked at the dog and my buddy raised her she was grade the guy didnt know i new her and said she was akc i called him out on it then he got mad and wouldnt sell me the dog like i was the bad guy

I don't understand how you can switch papers on a dog........ Heck, we dna all our rots and if one came back not matching we could get a permanent ban on the seller in NO TIME.. We have done it before....

I can see how you could switch papers on brother or sister dogs cause the DNA would match but if you ever won some trials and bred it three times your gonna get caught 100 percent of the time because dna test is mandatory on the third litter I believe..


I really wish AKC would allow other dogs to be registered akc if it meets the breed standard even if it had an * or something designating MUTT or whatever on the papers for so many generations. They would make money, it would stop a lot of cheating and it may actually improve genetics!!!!

This was done alot before the DNA. It is still done and these crooks can get away with it if they don't produce more than 3 litters a year or more than 7 litters in a lifetime of the studd. There won't have to be a dna. But, if someone buys the dog and then has pups and akc makes them dna the studd it could all backfire. Any pup produce by this hound or grandpups or great grand pups will be in limbo at akc. All papers will be put on hold until resolved which probably means anyone with these dogs now have grade dogs.

I had a friend that bought a male. He bred it about 3 times and then did a dna. Come to find out there was no way this hound could have been sired by the hound on its papers. Now this dog had passed thru 3 owners. First was the breeder who obviously didn't know who bred his bitch..... the next guy bred him to a couple of his females.... sold some pups and kept some then bred them. The third owner is the one who bred him about 3 times and had to dna him. Now he gets a letter telling him all the papers on these pups are on hold. And the folks who bought any of these pups and registered them with akc also got letters telling them their papers are on hold. Phones start ringing. Folks wanting their money back. All because this breeder was a crook.

The other posibility is that AKC starts makeing all registared dogs Be DNA'd at birth. That would solve some of the problems but would create a S""" storm when lots of prople find out that their "high dollar, high bred" dog is not what the papers show. I bet most of us would be amazed at the number of "AKC" grade dogs that are out there. Brock

sometimes i wish they were all grade dogs,when i first started i had grade dog's.i might not have known who there ancesters were but i know they were jus't as good of a dog as the AKC dog's that i got now. i like my registered dog's as well as any but it is jus't a big money thing with any of it anymore.i have seen dog's that were out of all kinds of FC and them not be worth feedin.i have seen grade dog's not worth feedin either,let's face it all dog's are different some make it some don't,i do like the fact that you can look through the pedigree and see what's back there,but if i had a dog that i bought from a guy when he was young and this dog turned out to be a bad "SOB" jump dog with everything else i like makin him my favorite dog and people got to lookin at him and wantin to breed to him and then we test him and AKC comes back tellin me that my dog's DNA was not right and that everything is on hold then that will be the last time i ever screw with AKC ever.not sayin i will not own AKC hounds but they will never be transfered and they will never get another penny from me. i understand that it is not AKC fault for this mishap but it's not mine either and like i said before i think it is all about money,because if it was not then the matter with this guy would have done been resolved,it will probally be like the rest of the problems it will just fade away..........never herein anything about it.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, odds are, its a duck. I think if AKC would allow grade dogs on a sort of conditional registration, it would cut down on scams and bring them in more money. If a dog fits the breed standard, then it should be able to have a limited registration with some kind of condition that its children or grandchildren will have full AKC rights.