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I would like to get some feed back on why LP doesn't allow a person to put a shocking system on a dog at these hunts.. This would save time on catching hounds that are running off game and lost dogs that gets missing and these dogs are sometimes found.. This just makes sense to use a shocking system. The dogs that are running off game is gonna be scratched anyway so what the issue.. I think it needs to be a handler choice....

The only format that i am aware of that allows shocking systems on hounds is UKC, however, the sending unit cannot be brought to the field.

That question was asked here not to long ago and thier answer was You need to break your dogs to handle not run off game etc.. on your time not ours and they also said that is what trials was all about good dogs that can be run without training devices sounds good enuff to me lol

rabbitsmoker wrote:That question was asked here not to long ago and thier answer was You need to break your dogs to handle not run off game etc.. on your time not ours and they also said that is what trials was all about good dogs that can be run without training devices sounds good enuff to me lol

Would seem to make sense wouldn't it??

Besides that if it's only about being able to locate and catch the dogs then get tracking or gps collars. Then there's no chance of using the ecollars during the hunt.

We are allowed the use of e-collars in Big Pack. It was a choice made by the board of directors. The first year was a trial year. It was very popular and was made a permanent past of the rules.

The difference is that in big pack all the hounds are released at once and not handled for 4 hours exception only of a hound goes out of bounds or in danger. We use to lose hounds regularly and now it is a rarity even with 70 plus hounds released at once in some very rugged and thick isolated terrain.

I don't like the idea, that just begs for slick handling. Notice your dog backtracking or babbling.....give it a tap. Alot of handlers will use anything they can to their advantage, it's too bad to give them that chance from 2 miles away.

DIXIEDOG wrote:I don't like the idea, that just begs for slick handling. Notice your dog backtracking or babbling.....give it a tap. Alot of handlers will use anything they can to their advantage, it's too bad to give them that chance from 2 miles away.

Great Point , I totally agree with you....

DIXIEDOG wrote:I don't like the idea, that just begs for slick handling. Notice your dog backtracking or babbling.....give it a tap. Alot of handlers will use anything they can to their advantage, it's too bad to give them that chance from 2 miles away.

Well i can tell you they are already back tracking dogs and babbling that goes on already so thats nothing, Use one set of collars and one transmitter only kept by the judge or in the vehicle locked up and only used if needed sounds like a good idea.. And if you go to any field trials at all they are slick handling too.. LP needs to put into affect if a dog sits around and does not hunt the dog needs to be put on clock and when the time runs out scatched...

CJ&C kennels wrote: LP needs to put into affect if a dog sits around and does not hunt the dog needs to be put on clock and when the time runs out scatched...

I agree whole heartedly with that!

DIXIEDOG wrote:LP needs to put into affect if a dog sits around and does not hunt the dog needs to be put on clock and when the time runs out scratched...

That rule is already in effect.

Section G, Item 5 on Page 16
http://www.arha.com/littlepack/LP%20RULES%202007.pdf

6. If the hound refuses to hunt the first 30 minutes of any cast it will be disqualified.

rabbitsmoker wrote:That question was asked here not to long ago and thier answer was You need to break your dogs to handle not run off game etc.. on your time not ours and they also said that is what trials was all about good dogs that can be run without training devices sounds good enuff to me lol

There you have it folks.
Don't bring a dog that is not broke.

Man has beem running dogs for thousands of years without a shock collar, suddenly people cant handle a dog without one.
Learn to handle your dogs and trash break them before you show up to a trial.

Shock collars or not..........back in the day or now, Silverzuk is right.

If you put the time into it you can train a dog to handle with a whistle as good as it will with a tone and whistles are allowed.

Like i or not, shock collars are here to stay and field trials should integrate them into the sport in some form... My new dog has never ran off game on me and has even turned it down when other dogs were going after it but she still wears a collar because it JUST MAKES SENSE.. Why risk the hassle of looking for or loosing a dog.


My personal feelings are the master of hounds or whatever keeps the collar and if he/she gives it to you then your dog is scratched but still keep it on the dog just in case...

Its not like people don't break their dogs of off game and other faults with it anyways so its not like by allowing them your ruining the standard or harming the breed..... I don't like yelling or taking my gloves off to whistle for my dog over hollers and mountains so the tone button works fantastic so I don't loose my voice.....why not be able to tone a dog after the run is over...

Mo. Beagler 5000 wrote:Like i or not, shock collars are here to stay and field trials should integrate them into the sport in some form... My new dog has never ran off game on me and has even turned it down when other dogs were going after it but she still wears a collar because it JUST MAKES SENSE.. Why risk the hassle of looking for or loosing a dog.

I disagree.
The big thing is that it allows manipulation and control over the dog when afield. If you provide a method to cheat, people will use it. I promise.

Suppose you have the judge hold all the controls. The first trick will be to hand the judge a dummy controller, while yours is in pocket. As people get more wise, they will have a duplicate controller made that looks like a key chain, or something.

Secondly. it allows poorly trained dogs, and handlers that have poorly trained dogs, to participate.
Think about "hunt and handling". You just eliminated the "handling portion". Suddenly the handler is shocking ole Joe to get him in faster so it appears that he handles better.

It allows dogs to compete in competition that aren't ready for the field. It allows the handler to control the dog while he is cast. I don't think anyone can intelligently refute those two, only make excuses to justify why they want to run shock collars.