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Just thought you might be interested that a beagle took 3rd overall in the hound division. The bassett made it to the final call but didn't get ranked.

FYI
Emery

hurrah

yes and the 15in was good looking to,

Must be fixed.
Ain't nothing for a dog prettier then a beagle Sincerly,haredog

Well, you know which one I was pulling for...

Emery

Im guessing they are not from a hunting line, dog probly couldnt circle a rabbit in a starting pen. I guess its good for the breed but the people that attend those shows are from a different world. Probly feeding Iams, lol.

Not all of us are from a different world And we DO NO FEED IAMS But we do show our beagles In AKC and UKC and we do hunt them!!! And bench them and run them. The Beagle that took third in groups at Westminister probably could not run a rabbit in a pen but then it probably has never been given the chance!!!

I wouldn't bet too much that the hounds in that show couldn't run a rabbit. There are a few akc champs that can still do it. I have a male that my girlfriend bought me he is 100% show bred, pedigree is full of red and he will flat out run a rabbit and bust brush with the best. His biggest faults are lack of mouth and he's almost 16in. tall. I believe they bred the bark out, but my brother and I bred him to a good field bloodline and all 9 pups have turned out to be excellent hunters. In fact the hound in my avatar is his daughter and she won the PBGA derby consistency award for 2003 and the derby championship trial. I hope to finish her eventually. They just need a chance

I too was excited to see a beagle place at Westminster. As far as show stock not running rabbits, well I got two that run pretty good(Lanbur & Strongbow). The male will be campaigned this spring within the UKC circuit. The female is developing nicely and may place as well.
Also, I am a Hunter and still am using IAMs. IAMS' only mistake was a bad marketing decision. They have publicized their stance and were only trying to expand their market share by targeting pet owners (regardless of what groups those pet owners belong to). When you come up with a better food, let me know and I'll switch. It's stupid comments like that, that further separates our two groups. The sad thing is, 99% of the time the ignorance comes from our side. Hey I'm not bashing you or anyone else. Instead, I would like to make a recommendation. The one event where we all come together and mingle is at the Triple Crown (Aldie, VA). Come see it and I suspect you'll raise your opinion of the show breeders. Thanks

p.s. As your temporary guidance counselor, I wouldn't suggest you major in business......grin

Also there are several show lines that are well known for their hunting ability (i.e. Echorun, Strongbow and even Starbuck)

DDW my male has lanbur top and bottom. (the company car) I wouldn't sell em short!

I am another person who has show dogs and field dogs,
I have had pups out of my show champion and my field dog.
All the pups out of these dogs turned out to be very nice hunting dogs.
All of my show dogs love to hunt, even thought they are not the best.
The show dogs you seen on TV, I have competed in the ring with are very nice dogs, but they are handled by top handlers who get paid big bucks for showing.
You have nothing but the very best at this show and it takes a lot of money to even get there.
Just remember the show judges pick the handlers not the dog in most shows, you also have to show your dogs every weekend and advertise.
The 15 inch dog's handler you seen on TV makes approx. $175,000 a year showing dogs.
The 13 inch dogs handler makes about the same.
Another words, this can be a very expensive sport.
Buckridge Beagles
Greenwood In

This is interesting as I have hunting beagles and the wife has Giant Schnauzers whick she shows in conformation. She likes the beagles and comes home one day with a female pup from a show in TX. Didn't know she was going to do this and about a month later shows up with a male pup. Now honestly I have not had the time to mess with these dogs as I had to many young dogs I was working of my own. I did mess them a bit and the female did show signs of hunt. Was in a starting pen with them and the female got a jump and ran the rabbit in a site chase. After that had a hard time her to move out of the check area where she had last seen the rabbit. The male could have cared less about a rabbit and would much rather be jumping on me then. Now again they were very young when I was messing around with them. Now that gun season is coming to an end around here hope to spend more time with them. I will have to say they are fine looking dogs. The gyp is tri colored and the male red and white. I would love to see this male me a halfway decent hunter and I would try breeding him to a couple of my gyps and then crossing back to my line. I had hoped that the wife would have come out with me in the field with her pups to try and get them started but has been so busy with her work and other dogs that it just didn't happen. All they know now is to walk pretty and stack picture pretty. Now I would like to see them run a rabbit like poetry in montion and I would be a happy camper.

Did IAMS say they were going to correct this "bad marketing decision"? If not, then the money you give them goes to support those they contribute to(Peta), that is "ignorance" my friend.

The show breeder chose to not test for hunt in their breeding of champions. To believe that the "hunting instinct" lies idle in waiting, just for someone to put it on the ground to allow it to shine in all glory, that is "ignorance" my friend.

It has been proven in some hunting formats that if the hounds are not allowed or tested for hunt, that over time, the hunt desire is lost, the show beagle is no different. I am not saying that none can't do it, only that the odds and percentages are not there for me to take the chance. If your willing, that's the mill stone around your neck, not mine.

We go to hunting hounds, that were bred from hunting hounds, to get our "correct conformation". Correct conformation means, "strength and freedom of movement". It is proven by hours and days on end of chasing the hare or rabbit. Only those who prove themselve capable, showing the abilities necessary to succeed, should be considered breeding material, and then used, only if he proves the ability to reproduce, in a large percentage of his get, the same abilities. These are the odds and percentages we require for any to be considers worth breeding.

You certainly have nerve to come on a hunting board and lay 99% of the fault, dividing the two groups, in our lap.

Good luck to you on your venture...Patch

when that whippy tailed thing took 1st in the hound group Im like you got to be kidding me! both 15" and 13" Beagles were perfect, and that basset. the judge was watching her pretty good. I told my wife that the basset was in and..... .......that judge could play poker with the best of them.

buckridge wrote:I am another person who has show dogs and field dogs,
I have had pups out of my show champion and my field dog.
All the pups out of these dogs turned out to be very nice hunting dogs.
All of my show dogs love to hunt, even thought they are not the best.
The show dogs you seen on TV, I have competed in the ring with are very nice dogs, but they are handled by top handlers who get paid big bucks for showing.
You have nothing but the very best at this show and it takes a lot of money to even get there.
Just remember the show judges pick the handlers not the dog in most shows, you also have to show your dogs every weekend and advertise.
The 15 inch dog's handler you seen on TV makes approx. $175,000 a year showing dogs.
The 13 inch dogs handler makes about the same.
Another words, this can be a very expensive sport.
Buckridge Beagles
Greenwood In

show beagle pups start at $600.00