stupid question

[Herb Cronizer III]

this may sound stupid but has anyone ever seen a beagle with a small lump where its belly button would be its maybe a little smaller than a marble kind of firm and does not push back into the gut when you push on it .me and my Dads had a litter out of our dogs and the one with the little lump went to my wifes sister and her boyfriend they recently took it to one of the high class vets in town and the vet promtly told them this was a genetic defect and they could never breed the dog it was hereditary and it came from the parents or grand parents both our dogs are very well bred and i know they are not defective has anyone seen anything like this before i will try to post a pic tomorrow if i can thank you ,Herb Cronizer

[BCBeagles]

Sounds like an umbilical hernia. Not that uncommon. Maybe not that large in most. I have never known it to harm any dog.

[Herb Cronizer III]

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[mybeagles]

It usually results from the mother chewing off the embilical cord. Often if you keep pushing it in for several days and hold it for 10-15 seconds eventually it will stay in and grow over. It doesnt always work, but have seen it work twice.

Never heard anyone ever call this genetic. Im not a vet, but I would seriously question the advice they are getting. Find a different Vet!

Like the post above, I have seen quite a few and in adult dogs I have never seen it become a problem. As they grow, often times it is unnoticable unless you know its there.

Mybeagles

[harrow]

Sounds like a hernia to me too. Had a female out of my last litter that has an umbilical hernia, doesn't bother her a bit. My vet said not to worry about it.

[Herb Cronizer III]

yes and we had already given the dog its shots from tsc and the vet insisted that he had to give him the shots himself for three hundred dollars and all they took him in for was a check up and rabies shot go figure

[DRamey]

I think the vet is full of baloney. Never heard of pushing it back in before, that's interesting. I would find a vet that regularly cares for hunting breeds, esp. hounds. If it isn't herniated, I would say that mybeagles is on the money. Sometimes the mother is rough when she cuts the umbilical. It may be nothing more than an "outie." If it is slightly herniated, it will either take care of itself in the next couple of months or get noticeably worse, in which case a very simple surgical procedure will fix it permanently. In either case, there is nothing genetic here unless it is the dam's tendency to cut the cord roughly, which is silly as well. If every pup she had was like this, I may consider the vet not as baloney filled as otherwise. In light of your post of a minute ago, definitely find another vet. You are financing this guy's lifestyle!!!!

[Moore Beagles]

Herb
I recently have become aware of this new opinion that it is genetic, from two New fresh out of school Vets.The more experienced Vets I have talked too don't seem to share this opinion. We have a female that we have had several litters, and just produced a pup with an outie, and the New Vet shared her New age opinion, and gave me alook like We were producing defective pups. I simply explained that we had several very healthy litters and if this was the worst of the health problems I could live with it. I basically politely told her that i disagreed and I thought the Mom pulled and worked of this pups cord too hard. Anything outside of the womb is not genetic, If I had a female that this was a common occurance I would tend to agree, but I haven't seen it as a genetic flaw.
I had my favorite Vet tell if you have a female with this, if it does not heal properly to have it repaired, but most of the time it comes together and heals over as the pup matures and you don't have to worry about it.

[Herb Cronizer III]

Thanks for the replies i didnt really think there was a problem but to have the guy say the dog is defective from its breeding had me coming unglued and no none of the others were like this we kept three and gave or sold cheeply all the other dogs to people we know and hunt with so we could keep track and breeding rights... the vet is full of crap and really had me and my Dad boiling just bad mouthing someones dogs without even knowing them ....and oh yeah the dogs are seven months old now and the one with the outie has no problems running playing or scrapping with the other dogs.... thanks again

[big mike 50]

I have a female that is 18 monthes with the same thing as you described. She is healthy and it doesn't seem to bother her at all. I have seen two of this dogs littermates and they didn't have it as well as the mother and father they didn't have it nor the grandfather on the dams side and her grandfather on the sires side is Shorts Pro and as much as that dog was bred you would think if this was genetic someone may have noticed. I would tell the sister in law to get a new vet or get ready to move to the poor house. Best of luck with the litter, it looks like they should be great.

Mike Ware

[ddetar00]

My sister was born with an outie... does that make he a defect ? (I always knew she was)

I would recommend a different opinion and vet as well. It is a matter of the stomach lining being torn
perhaps when the mother was removing the umbilical at birth... or pperhaps the lining being a little thin
on that paticular pup. As with any hernia, the things the lining is to keep in has poked out.
To say that all litters from that pup will carry the same problem just is not viable.

Depening on the pup... you could attempt to fix this as my mother did my sisters (I was not kidding about
her having an outie)... she taped a nickle over her belly button forcing the protruded item back in place,
a week later all was better.... she still seems defective to me at times... but her belly button looks normal.

[mobeagle]

Sounds like a hernia to me too. Had a female out of my last litter that has an umbilical hernia, doesn't bother her a bit. My vet said not to worry about it.

I agree with this %100. Seen it many times no big deal. Have a buddy who's a vet and said he's had a thousand people bring puppies in with the same thing worried sick about it and he said its not uncommon and will have no affect on the dogs life or health.

[S.R.Patch]

It is not normal and there is risk with breeding the hound but there is always risk with any breeding.
The "Marble" could be a piece of the intestine pushed out through the umbilical opening that had hardened with bowel or it could be scar tissue formed from closing the opening but I'd think it was a section of hardened bowel.
If this is a bitch, the stretching of the skin and the added pressure of whelps could force the muscle to further tear, opening a larger hernia at the gut. It is genetic and things outside the womb are genetic, they are just exposed as the hound develops...such as cherry-eye.
Doesn't mean the whole litter is predisposed, only that this one has expressed it and has shown the fault.

[Keith C.]

I had a friend buy a pup that had an umbilical hernia. His vet just put two stitches in it to keep the organs from protruding and it was fine.
Keith

[blckcrk-dog]

tape a 50 cent piece over it for a couple of weeks with duct tape and it should go back up inside it has worked for me on a lab but the pup was just 6 weeks old.