Measuring help please !!!

[JUDE]

Ok where does the stand need to set on top of
the dog for a correct measurment ??? If it's on
top of the withers , then where is the top of the
withers located ???

Is it on his neck or behind the neck where
the body levels off ???

I'm starting to think this measuring thing is
GARBAGE exspecially when I get measurments
like 14 , 14 1/2 , 14 3/4 where does it end .

Thanks for any and all advice ,
Buddy

[Laneline]

Bench the dog and then place the stand legs almost even or an inch back behind the dog's legs. While the dog is standing "proud" lower the gage to the whithers {almost at or right below the shoulder blades} and look up on the gage for your size. {Nice pictures by Flood Zone Beagles}

[Chief Long Hair]

Below is the definition and location of the withers:

http://dogs.about.com/library/glossary/bldefwithers.htm

If you are inquiring about how to measure in AKC, below is the rule book from the AKC web site on beagle field trials. Go to rule 3-D on page 25:

http://www.northamericanbeagle.com/contents.html

AKC does not mention "withers', it speaks about the "shoulder blades at it's hightest point". It also states that the dog shall be in "it's natural alert state", not stacked like in a bench show. My dogs' natural alert state is not with the head way up and standing on their tiptoes. There is a measuring differnce between the two stances. "Bench show stacked" is usually the higher measurment because the dog will stance on it's tiptoes which is not "it's natural alert stance". Remember this is AKC, not other formats rules.

Laneline does have good pictures but this would not be allowed in AKC events. The problem I see here is that the measuring sleeve is already in place while the dog is still under measurement. This allows the judges to see the measurement while measuring the dog and this makes it too easy to measure a dog in or out. I'm sure these pictures are for a training guide on how to place a stand but maybe other formats allow this.

Hopes this helps,
Da Chief

[JUDE]

In ARHA does the stand go on top of the shoulder blades at the
highest point or behind the shoulder blades ?

Thanks for your help guys .

[wcmorris114]

The place you measure is where his back comes into his shoulder or withers not on top of the withers at a normal stance

[wvduece]

in the pic that laneline posted is the bar behind the fore legs or can it be at differtent aeras on other dogs i dont trial anymore n the ones i went to were all ukc trials they had the bar set at 15 in if your dog walked under it was ok if it lifted the stand you were out dont know if thats right or not i didnt trial enuf to really learn the rules too much bickering n fussing for me i can hear that about anywhere so i said the hell with this trial stuff and i even won some i just didnt need to hear all the bs i really enjoyed trialing if it wasnt for all the bs going on jb