Has anyone had a dog not star[/b]t that was trained by Dick Powell.
Swing, can you answer? I know you get all your dogs trained by him.
Thanks guys,
Trained by Dick Powell
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blackdirt beagles
last winter i sent him 3 (2 mine, 1 my uncles) and a month later, they were all supposedly started and could run wild rabbits in the pen. so we get them back and we take them out and jump up a rabbit for them and put them (1 dog at a time) on the trail. they didnt even know nothing was there 5 seconds ago. i dont expect very much at all out of a dog back from the pen, but i do expect them to at least bark and try to do something on a hot rabbit. all acted this way. they were 9 months old, just right for starting. so over the course of the next month or so, we hunted them singlely with an older dog and really started them. they all became very nice dogs. im sure swing or aaron bartlett will say its my breeding 
but i didnt have any trouble getting them running. im not bashing dick either, hes a hell of a nice guy, but that was my first (and last) experience with him. i summed it up as loss of $300 and a lesson learned. i could of called and complained and took them back, but why? if he didnt do it right the first time, im not gonna try it again.
but i didnt have any trouble getting them running. im not bashing dick either, hes a hell of a nice guy, but that was my first (and last) experience with him. i summed it up as loss of $300 and a lesson learned. i could of called and complained and took them back, but why? if he didnt do it right the first time, im not gonna try it again.-
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Not sure about this instance but just about every dog I get from a starting pen acts like they dont have a clue in the wild for a while. After I have seen them smoke one in the pen. It is just a different environment. It usually takes mine four or five outings before they start to go in the wild.
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I can honestly say that every dog that Dick has started for me to date has started. Maybe some of them I didnt like for one reason or the other after I got them home but that is in no way his fault.
Recently someone brought him a litter of 8 pups to start (I dont recall how they were bred nor does it matter). Out of those 8 pups, 7 of them (in my opinion)started. The 8th one would run a little but mostly stood around. That pup may end up being the best.....who knows.
Sometimes I think that some people send their pup to a starting pen and expect a finished dog when it comes back. Ive heard some complain because the pups would run but wouldnt pack with the other dogs. Ive seen some people get thier pup back from a starting pen and stick them in the dog pen for weeks or even months, get them out and expect great things from them(most of the time it aint going to happen). People that start pups can not work magic.... They can only help bring out what the pup has in it. Its just to bad that some of the pups are smarter than their owners.
Some times (depending on the pup) it takes a little bit for them to adjust from the pen to the wild. Ive seen some pups run good in the pen, take them to the wild and never miss a beat and then ive seen pups run good in the pen, take them to the wild and they act confused and not run maybe even till the next day. Why??? Maybe the way the pup is bred, maybe it was used to the person who started it. Who knows!
I enjoy spending time around starting pens even if I dont have a pup there. Ive seen alot of pups start of all different ages and all different kinds of breeding. My advise to anyone would be to take your pup to a starting pen and when they are ready to take home, go watch your pup run in the pen and then take him out in the wild at the very first chance you get! Not all pups will start.....Thats just the facts of life but the majority of them will. They might not be the type of dog you will like when its all said and done but thats the chance you take with a pup.
I have 2 pups at the pen right now.....Maybe neither one will start, maybe they will. If they dont, in my opinion, its no ones fault but the pups.
Recently someone brought him a litter of 8 pups to start (I dont recall how they were bred nor does it matter). Out of those 8 pups, 7 of them (in my opinion)started. The 8th one would run a little but mostly stood around. That pup may end up being the best.....who knows.
Sometimes I think that some people send their pup to a starting pen and expect a finished dog when it comes back. Ive heard some complain because the pups would run but wouldnt pack with the other dogs. Ive seen some people get thier pup back from a starting pen and stick them in the dog pen for weeks or even months, get them out and expect great things from them(most of the time it aint going to happen). People that start pups can not work magic.... They can only help bring out what the pup has in it. Its just to bad that some of the pups are smarter than their owners.
Some times (depending on the pup) it takes a little bit for them to adjust from the pen to the wild. Ive seen some pups run good in the pen, take them to the wild and never miss a beat and then ive seen pups run good in the pen, take them to the wild and they act confused and not run maybe even till the next day. Why??? Maybe the way the pup is bred, maybe it was used to the person who started it. Who knows!
I enjoy spending time around starting pens even if I dont have a pup there. Ive seen alot of pups start of all different ages and all different kinds of breeding. My advise to anyone would be to take your pup to a starting pen and when they are ready to take home, go watch your pup run in the pen and then take him out in the wild at the very first chance you get! Not all pups will start.....Thats just the facts of life but the majority of them will. They might not be the type of dog you will like when its all said and done but thats the chance you take with a pup.
I have 2 pups at the pen right now.....Maybe neither one will start, maybe they will. If they dont, in my opinion, its no ones fault but the pups.
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Tony-Hammertime
I have had probly 20 - 30 dogs started by powell over the years and have never had one problem. I have seen so many people take dogs to any starting pen and have the same problem. heres what it comes down to some dogs are junk some are good few are great !!! when a dog is in the pen they learn the basics I know powell works dogs after they learn the basics. I have been to almost every pen in IL. and i have seen alot of pups that were clueless.. breeding brains will cure this problem 9 out of 10 times. bottom line is you take your pups to a pen remember the guy who is starting them is puting alot of time in on your pup but only the pup can decide if it wants to run a rabbit or not!!!! you can't install brains like batteries.....
Amen, Tony! I really believe that 90% of what a dog will be is determined at birth. The owner has 10% to either enhance what he has or screw it up. Dick has started all of our pups for us as well. We have 2 there now. Some came back strong, some came back really green or clueless. Pearl came back darn near ready for the trials. Dick would tell us when a pup just wasn't getting it. He's brutally honest that way. Considering not all pups are ready to start at the same age, it doesn't bother me if that happens occasionally. We wait a bit and then try again. My kids didn't walk at the same age either and they are of the same exact cross, lol!
Aaron, we ran the Blackcreek male Dick said wasn't doing too well. He knew what a rabbit track was and he did put out good mouth, but he was very disorganized the way he went about it. We ran him again 2 days later with a small pack and the light bulb came on. He has excellent hunt but is still trying to figure out things like checks (wants to hang up) wants to run any rabbit scent any direction for a few feet, but then will eventually straighten it out. Just usually puppy stuff, but we couldn't have brought him even this far without Dick's help. We just don't have a place to start a pup here. He's not what you'd call reliably running, but he IS to the point where all he needs now is time and tracks, so I'm happy.
I've also had late starters that required 2 trips to the starting pen and they turned out great. They just weren't ready the first time. It happens. Folks who start pups aren't miracle-workers who can guarantee specific results, but they can guarantee the pup will get ample opportunity. What the pup does with the opportunity is out of anyone's control.
Aaron, we ran the Blackcreek male Dick said wasn't doing too well. He knew what a rabbit track was and he did put out good mouth, but he was very disorganized the way he went about it. We ran him again 2 days later with a small pack and the light bulb came on. He has excellent hunt but is still trying to figure out things like checks (wants to hang up) wants to run any rabbit scent any direction for a few feet, but then will eventually straighten it out. Just usually puppy stuff, but we couldn't have brought him even this far without Dick's help. We just don't have a place to start a pup here. He's not what you'd call reliably running, but he IS to the point where all he needs now is time and tracks, so I'm happy.
I've also had late starters that required 2 trips to the starting pen and they turned out great. They just weren't ready the first time. It happens. Folks who start pups aren't miracle-workers who can guarantee specific results, but they can guarantee the pup will get ample opportunity. What the pup does with the opportunity is out of anyone's control.
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I agree BRAINS has a lot to do with it. All dogs are different. I have'nt had any pups at Dick powells but I have heard all good things about him. I take my pups to Earl Bruner he's just about 10 miles down the road. I've had some start in a week and some take a month but after I bring them home and put the time in on them get the same finshed dog.
I think its easy to expect to much when you get them back. You have to realize that they have been in the pen with other younger dogs that are just starting. So when you bring them home and kick them loose with a seasoned gun dog you have to give them time to adjust and thats were the Breeding and Brains kick in. And it sure is a good feeling when it all comes together.
I think its easy to expect to much when you get them back. You have to realize that they have been in the pen with other younger dogs that are just starting. So when you bring them home and kick them loose with a seasoned gun dog you have to give them time to adjust and thats were the Breeding and Brains kick in. And it sure is a good feeling when it all comes together.
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Hey KY Scott what is your real name? I take mine to Earls too.
Will Mason
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My name is Scott Smitha. I live in Mt.Eden about 40 miles south east of Louisville.
All I got to say about Dick starting dogs is he is the best around as far as I am concerned.
Look through some of the HOTY standings and look at the dogs with Powell in front of the name, No he didnt trial them, he started them as pups.
And the one's you see in there (if any) with Swing's name in front of them were started by DICK POWELL.
Dick can't work miracles, I have 2 there now and they havent started yet as far as I know. I can tell you this Dick has forgot more about dogs than most will ever know.
As far as slamming Dick I think I have seen about enough to draw my own conclusion.
Brian is the only unhappy camper that I know of,and I am sure I can get you plenty of refrences that will tell you other wise.
By the way I killed 18 today with dogs that Dick built and none of them were over 2 years old.
Thanx alot Dick
Trent
Look through some of the HOTY standings and look at the dogs with Powell in front of the name, No he didnt trial them, he started them as pups.
And the one's you see in there (if any) with Swing's name in front of them were started by DICK POWELL.
Dick can't work miracles, I have 2 there now and they havent started yet as far as I know. I can tell you this Dick has forgot more about dogs than most will ever know.
As far as slamming Dick I think I have seen about enough to draw my own conclusion.
Brian is the only unhappy camper that I know of,and I am sure I can get you plenty of refrences that will tell you other wise.
By the way I killed 18 today with dogs that Dick built and none of them were over 2 years old.
Thanx alot Dick
Trent
Trent
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
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blackdirt beagles
you guys are all right. most dogs either have it or they dont. you cant teach "brains". thats why i still got mine running after dick didnt. they had the desire and brains, but for whatever reason, he didnt do the job. ive used a couple other local pens and no, they definately are not all keepers, but at least they would recognize scent and try to work it when i got them back. thats what this post is about: dogs not starting at dicks pen. not who breeds the best dogs, or whose dogs have brains. i got an email last nite from a guy here in IL with the results as me. maybe he'll post on here, but if not, thats fine. id like to hear from someone not closely associated with dick, who doesnt run with him or hunt with him. friends will always give a good reference, but strangers will give a true unbiased one.
just one question? whos dick???wheres he at? I was thinking if hes the best in ya'alls opinion why not have my dad try and get his christmas pup up there?
I agree wit most of ya'all though, a guy cant work miracles, 99 percent of that dog running rabbits is up to the dog, IMO.... but I dont think anyone should expect a top notch dog right after it gets out of a starting/running pen(s), me and my dad used to train dogs with starting pens, and some pups we would train just by taking them into the woods and getting a rabbit to come out in front of them and run the pups with older dogs. In my opinion both methods work, but I do like starting opens a tad bit better for obvious reasons.
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I agree wit most of ya'all though, a guy cant work miracles, 99 percent of that dog running rabbits is up to the dog, IMO.... but I dont think anyone should expect a top notch dog right after it gets out of a starting/running pen(s), me and my dad used to train dogs with starting pens, and some pups we would train just by taking them into the woods and getting a rabbit to come out in front of them and run the pups with older dogs. In my opinion both methods work, but I do like starting opens a tad bit better for obvious reasons.
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I'll start the list of happy campers with Dick
Trent Wood
Mike Rinehart
Matt Glomski
Aaron Bartlett
Tony Woodward
Ron Gernay (sp)
Bev and Ralph
Scott Surber
Shawn McNutt
The Wades
Dale Larsen
Dale Blaising
Don Walters
Julian Carter
Jeff Leonard
Thats just the ones I know of, beings that Dick doesnt have a computer I am sure Matt can call him and get more,I know Al Chapman just picked up a couple of pups he had there and the verdict is still out I havent heard from him as yet.
Unhappy campers
Brian Joiner
So far the score is 12- 1.
I think I would take a serious look at the dogs I was breeding if I wasnt happy with Dicks training methods
Trent Wood
Mike Rinehart
Matt Glomski
Aaron Bartlett
Tony Woodward
Ron Gernay (sp)
Bev and Ralph
Scott Surber
Shawn McNutt
The Wades
Dale Larsen
Dale Blaising
Don Walters
Julian Carter
Jeff Leonard
Thats just the ones I know of, beings that Dick doesnt have a computer I am sure Matt can call him and get more,I know Al Chapman just picked up a couple of pups he had there and the verdict is still out I havent heard from him as yet.
Unhappy campers
Brian Joiner
So far the score is 12- 1.
I think I would take a serious look at the dogs I was breeding if I wasnt happy with Dicks training methods
Trent
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
No one plans to Fail, they fail to Plan
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blackdirt beagles
hey swing - howd your kennel sell out go? i heard a rumor you were gonna switch to Lakeland stuff. i didnt believe it though, i knew dave wouldnt sell you anything .
as for your score, make it 12-3. i know 2 other guys who had bad luck there. if they want to post their names here thats fine, but thats not my business, but i figure if you can post about other guys, so can i. that nocks your score to 4-1 odds. pretty good odds i would say, but all i ever heard was good stuff too. guess the best way to find out is send him some pups. no starting pen has 100% success or even close. ive used another guy that for me and have had very good success, but im sure not everyone likes him either. like i stated earlier im not bashing dick, cause i met him and hes a good guy, but when it comes to starting dogs, hes just another name on the list of trainers to check out. hes not god. if some guys (his close buddies) dont like my posts, im sorry, but thats tough, they are true.
.as for your score, make it 12-3. i know 2 other guys who had bad luck there. if they want to post their names here thats fine, but thats not my business, but i figure if you can post about other guys, so can i. that nocks your score to 4-1 odds. pretty good odds i would say, but all i ever heard was good stuff too. guess the best way to find out is send him some pups. no starting pen has 100% success or even close. ive used another guy that for me and have had very good success, but im sure not everyone likes him either. like i stated earlier im not bashing dick, cause i met him and hes a good guy, but when it comes to starting dogs, hes just another name on the list of trainers to check out. hes not god. if some guys (his close buddies) dont like my posts, im sorry, but thats tough, they are true.