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Recently a so-called buddy of mine sold a dog that I had paid $150.00 stud fee to breed to my female. Since the female didn't take, he told me I could try again--not to get in any hurry, because the dog would die there. Well, first of all, I heard from someone else that he had sold the dog--he didn't even tell me. When I called him, he said the guy he sold it to would honor the stud, so I called that guy. Well, he will not honor the stud--he said that was between me and my "buddy." Well, I just got off the phone with my "buddy", after telling him the situation he said that I could breed to something else he had. He doesn't have anything else I want to breed to. He will not return my $150.00 stud fee or pay the guy he sold the dog to to breed to my female. It's been about a year since the breeding failed. Am I being unreasonable? Has anyone else ever been in this situation?

You're not being unreasonable...but if he is a friend and you want to remain friends you may want to let it go. If not, then he should pay your stud fee. How long ago was the failed breeding? If it was over two years ago then I'd have to say time was up no matter what he told you about the dog dieing in his kennel.

JMHO, of course and I hope it works out for you and your buddy.

doesnt matter how long it has been. A mans word should be worth something. Sounds like you should cut your losses he isnt worth it.

I went through this situation years ago and lost a friend over his dishonesty and bad judgement. With that said other than this one mistake I lost a a good friend. If at all possible i would work on remaining friends and maybe he will see his wrong doing. Ansd just maybe he will make it up to you. Either way you are out the $150.00. One way you are sure to loose.

kodiac wrote:doesnt matter how long it has been. A mans word should be worth something. Sounds like you should cut your losses he isnt worth it.

So the guy can never sell his dog waiting for his buddy to decide to breed his bitch again, even if it is 8 years later. I think 3 to 4 heat cycles is plenty of time to get the deed done. If it were my bitch, I'd have taken her back the same time the following year or the next heat cycle. It is best to get these deals taken care of ASAP or sh*t happens.

Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:

kodiac wrote:doesnt matter how long it has been. A mans word should be worth something. Sounds like you should cut your losses he isnt worth it.

So the guy can never sell his dog waiting for his buddy to decide to breed his bitch again, even if it is 8 years later. I think 3 to 4 heat cycles is plenty of time to get the deed done. If it were my bitch, I'd have taken her back the same time the following year or the next heat cycle. It is best to get these deals taken care of ASAP or sh*t happens.

Well, his buddy told him not to be in any hurry that he wasn't selling the dog.

His "buddy" should have told the new owner the situation and had that worked out so he could breed to him with the new owner in this case.

He is no friend either. Kick him to the curb and move on.

Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:

kodiac wrote:doesnt matter how long it has been. A mans word should be worth something. Sounds like you should cut your losses he isnt worth it.

So the guy can never sell his dog waiting for his buddy to decide to breed his bitch again, even if it is 8 years later. I think 3 to 4 heat cycles is plenty of time to get the deed done. If it were my bitch, I'd have taken her back the same time the following year or the next heat cycle. It is best to get these deals taken care of ASAP or sh*t happens.

I kind of agree with Pike on this. I breed a male to a female and she didn't take. We knew it was a gamble because she was on day 21, but we tried it anyway. I only charged the guy $100 and guaranteed him that we would breed it again if it didn't take. Well, a year later he breeds her to another male. Now i have no problem saying that my deal is now off the table since he didn't bring her back.

This goes right along with what Pike is saying. How long is that guarantee good for? Since that has happened I’m pretty up front with it now. I put everything in writing and it includes an expiration date.

Good point Steve and this may be a good thing to get in writing to alleviate any future problems.
It is shame to lose a freind over a dog breeding. I am not taking sides becasue I do not know all the details and I hope it works out for all parties involved.

JMHO, of course.

Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:

kodiac wrote:doesnt matter how long it has been. A mans word should be worth something. Sounds like you should cut your losses he isnt worth it.

So the guy can never sell his dog waiting for his buddy to decide to breed his bitch again, even if it is 8 years later. I think 3 to 4 heat cycles is plenty of time to get the deed done. If it were my bitch, I'd have taken her back the same time the following year or the next heat cycle. It is best to get these deals taken care of ASAP or sh*t happens.

the guy said the dog would die there. And if he sold it he should have sold it under the stipulation that the new owner was to let him breed. Same thing if i bought some lumber off you and you said dont worry you can leave it here till you need it. Then you sold it. I would be a bit upset. I agree about getting things done ASAP or sh*t happens.

This is just my opinion.

ive been hooked like this before and it made me start my policy in writing if no pups in 70 days you have one year to bring the same female back to my kennel for a rebreed.

Folks,
Any time you put a dog out for public stud you are entering into an unspoken agreement to provide a service. This service is the expectation that the studding or mating will produce a live litter as that is what nature intends to happen with the action. Another thing I also interpret a stud fee to promise is a live litter, meaning more than one or other wise it would be a pup and not a litter as dogs normally have. I learned a lesson a couple years ago when I paid a stud fee and the first breeding didn't take. I took my female back the very next heat and of course had to pay for another brucellosis test for a return service. This time she had only one pup, period with no others being born dead. Now I have quite a bit of money invested in this one pup with the stud fee, two brucellosis tests and the transportation to the stud dog that I am out for one pup. I contacted the owner again to tell him that i did get only one pup and he said sorry but that's the best I can do. Lesson learned from that experiance in that if I ever pay for a stud fee again I will make sure I have a written contract to state that the breeder will guarantee a live litter of at least two pups for as long as the stud dog lives. If a stud dog owner will not sign such an agreement then I figure they have something to hide as I'm sure the statistics will prove that a live litter of two or more pups is the norm for canine breedings and they will get NO stud money from me. I've seen this very same guarantee many, many times when I had coon hounds and this was the first time I had ever paid a stud fee for a beagle. Just goes to show you that you never get too old to learn and I added that to my degree in getting shafted obtained from experience.

We had the same thing happen, we were supposed to get 2 free breedings to this dog and the owner ended up selling the dog, so we contacted the new owner about the breedings and he said that was between us and the old owner so we contacted this guy and he said our time had run out and hung the phone up.There was never any time limit on the breedings he said whenever we had a female we wanted to breed to him just call and come up and we could breed to him, so for now on we will always get everything in writing. It is a bad situation, but what can you really do?

Well with us show breeders having/breeding someones bitch can be a real PITA. I can't just throw them in a kennel run together for a week and see what happens. I don't want my dogs face ripped off or for him to be injured in any way. This also involves having a strange bitch in my home (I don't have a "kennel") and doing my best to make sure I get 2 or 3 good breedings which isn't always as easy as everyone tends to think. SO, what I do is charge a breeding/boarding fee up front which is a portion of the total stud fee for my dog. That's for my time and work and I will keep that payment whether there are pups or not.

When the pups are born then I excpect the balance due PAID before I sign the Litter Registration form.

This is all discussed up front. I don't want failed bitches back for repeat breedings and all that. Anyway, so far this has worked well for me and this is how I offer to do business when I send a bitch out too.

If you have anything in writing, or any witnesses to the former stud dog owners statement, regarding "trying again", or "don't get in a hurry because the dog will always be here". Then you may want to try Small Claims Court.

WHY WOULD AFRIEND CHARGE ASTUD FEE ANY WAY?