technique used train to come w/e-collars

gbowers · Post by **gbowers** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:26 am

Can someone give me their technique on training a dog not pup w/the e-collars.I've had it w/this female.She's 2yrs old she's a hair shy in the pen but when she hits the field she bolder and every once in a while hardheaded last night was the last straw.She a good dog in everyway so i'm not getting rid of her.I raised her from a pup raised her parents here to.Last night I ran till7:00 p.m.the dogs just finish a rabbit the others came in headed to the truck she stay in the cornfield about 150yrds from the truck not running 15mins she opens up runs for about 15mins then stops stays in the same corner not coming it's an hour later w no real runnning just puttering i'm calling to no avail i'm steaming I turn out one of the other dogs he finnally jumps a rabbit she comesbut runs around and away from me joins in with him she's done this about 3-5 in her life she just blatantly ingnors me.I finally corner her leash her cut me a switch and commence the Ali shuffle all the way to the truck.She not going back out till I work this collar magic on her.I brought the tritronic classic 70 2yrs ago never had to use it still in the case never been on a dogs neck I got the video that came with it just want some of your TECHNIQUES Thanks in advance.

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:00 am

I had this same exact problem. My female would just ignore me once in a while. I put the collar on her several times but was afraid to use it because she had never had one used on her. I was afraid she'd leave state with my collar so when she'd ignore me I'd just go get her. One day she was only about 20 yards from me and was flat out ignoring me. I yelled at her and still ignored me. So I hit her w/ the collar on level one. To my surprise she turned around and came straight to me.

Beagleman973 · Post by **Beagleman973** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:11 am

Use a low setting and only use it after you have called for her first. If she doesn't come in, then give her a little tickle. DO NOT call for her while you are shocking her, wait about a minute after shocking then call for her. If after several minutes she hasn't came in, repeat the process.

Incidentally, you are probably making the problem worse by whipping her once you do catch her. You catch her, then whip her....so to her way of thinking, when I'm out in the field, when he comes and gets me I get whipped! So if I am a dog, I'm not going to come to you when you call me because when I do you are probably going to whip me. I don't know why I'm getting whipped, but it must have something to do with coming to you....so I will just avoid you.

Just my two cents!

Good luck!

John

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:55 am

I have a female that just won't come in until she is ready, no matter how much I call her. I got enough of it and put my 70 unit on her. I did just as John advised, hit her with a one setting and waited for her a while. I had to go to a number two, but she comes in now real good. I heap praise on her when she comes in to me. I also agree with John, you made a mistake whipping your dog after she came in to you.

bob huffman · Post by **bob huffman** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:55 am

When I was a kid I used to run them down and catch them and they learned I could catch them if I wanted to so they would come in. Now when they do it, I leave them and come back the next day and that will break a lot of them and some it won't work on. If it don't work I get rid of the dog because I don't want to breed a hard head. The collar works best if you use the avoidance method which involves giving the command and then the warning tone or button and then a shock. Make sure she has been trained in the yard and knows the command. You did make the problem worse by whipping her most likely although I have seen a few that would learn to come that way. Not many though. There is also a food method of conditioning but works better if you start them young but will work if you take the time to do it. There are some good articles in recent issues of American Beagler Mag covering this problem. Good luck!

gbowers · Post by **gbowers** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:05 pm

Guys thanks this is right along the lines of telling me your exact methods of how to use the collars.But let me say the whip method i use worked its just the e-collars offer a better way.I have this male that two different beaglers got rid of before he was 10 mon.old because he was viciously hardhead look right at you and go the other way,this fool could jump a rabbit at 9mon and would bust the bushes a day long at 10yrs old now they still can't touch him jumping a rabbit and is right in the top part of the pack.Anyway him and I went to the big dance a few time and i became the alpha by 3yrs he's the most obedient dog he's not shy of anything and were best of friends except for my Tip dog all my breeding comes through him.Yes I agree it can damage them but until e-collars it was the way to go Necessity the mother of invention I'm changing my ways!

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 3:23 pm

First of all, what dog in its right mind is going to come back to you when it knows it is going to get it @$$ beat all the way back to the truck. Maybe it is you that needs the shock collar to control your temper. Now that being said, here is my advice to you.

Yes, I agree that an e-collar is an effective tool. Do some yard work until you are satisified with your dog's behavior. Start with short sessions utilizing positive re-inforcement. Then take the dog out to a small area where you won't be interrupted and continue with the same methods you used in your yard. However, if the dog won't come to you, run it down and use the collar as needed to get the dog to stop running away from you. This is where you need to be supportive of your dog and just end the training session. If you continue to do the Ali shuffle on your dog all the way to the truck, your dog will never want to come in because it will think it is going to be beat. Make your training sessions enjoyable for the dog no matter what how angry you are a the dog. The longer the dog thinks it is pleasing you, the longer and better your training will go.

Your dog may be full of too much desire and not want to stop hunting. With enought time and patience, you should be able to get the dog to listen most of the time. I say most of the time because it still is a beagle and it has a mind of its own. I never take a leash out in the field while hunting and only very rarely do I have to run down the dog to get her to come in. I may have to talk to her frequently to keep her along side of me while we are walking back out of the woods, but you can believe that she wouldn't do this if she knew she was going to get the Ali shuffle. Believe me, this didn't happen over night. I worked long and hard with her to get her to mind like this.

Hope this helps,
Emery

B&B Kennels · Post by **B&B Kennels** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 3:33 pm

My method is to put the dog on a 50 foot rope for starters and let dog go to end of rope. Tell the dog to come and if it doesnt then pull on rope and yell come at same time. If that doesnt work pull on rope and yell come and shock at the same time. Only takes a couple of times of doing this and the dog will learn what come is.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:00 pm

I think the issue was out in the field that it didn't listen...

chris herpin · Post by **chris herpin** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:18 am

I use the release techniuqe that tritronics recommend. They have a tape that tells you hows to do it. It"s basically how B&B kennels said but more in detail. I've been using it for a few years now and don't use a leash when running my dogs. I have the Classic 70 and find it isn't as good for this application as the 200 lite. I think it's because you can't lower the intensity as much with the classic 70.

Beagleman973 · Post by **Beagleman973** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:52 am

One other thing I do is train all my dogs to come to a whistle, I use a whistle like coaches use. I start this at around two months old. I've noticed when a dog is really searching they tend to tune things out, but a whistle gets their attention.

At two months old I start getting them to come with voice and three sharp blasts on the whistle. When they do I use a lot of positive reinforcement to encourage the habbit, petting, praise, treats. Slowly I just use the whistle. This works really well in deep, thick cover, especially when it's windy and your voice doesn't carry well. Or like now, when I'm training and they end up on a rabbit way out in the middle of a large corn field. The whistle carries farther than my voice, and it gets their attention.

gbowers · Post by **gbowers** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 8:57 am

Thanks evrybody for commenting on the issue as i said before e-collars are definitely giving me another option to an age old method that i now desire to use.Now for you Emery the information you share below the stupid comment was good and collectively with tape from tritronics I will use I'm not new to the game.Since i brought the collars and ask for help from the board you should have read in to it that I desire to change my method but your confusing me you give scripture the the end of your comments about being tender hearted but you talk about putting the collar on me and write the a$$ word this is very conflicting one has nothing to do with the other nor did my question with the front end of your comment so please address me from now on with out mixing the WORD of GOD with ungodly remarks.Don't just repeat the word study it .Thank you in advance and also thank you for the latter comment." Love another beagler"

Clyde Gott · Post by **Clyde Gott** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:28 am

Amen Mr. gbower....Amen.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:21 am

Yes, I am human. I was attempting to control my emotions and be as kind as I could at the moment. However, when a person openly admits to beating his dog when all it is doing is trying to run game kind of gets under my skin. So I will say this which is along with the scripture at the bottom of each of my posts. You are forgiven for beating your dog. There is a difference in disciplining and beating. Doing the Ali shuffle all the way to the truck isn't discipline in my book. As for my choice of words, I am sorry that I used them in a moment of anger. However, I have always said that I will take the heat for anything that I do, so I won't go back and change what I have said to keep it from others that haven't read it. This way, they all can see what we have been talking about. I will refrain from this in the future. Thanks for setting me straight and I hope that if we ever meet in the beagling community we can be friends.

Emery

Clyde Gott · Post by **Clyde Gott** » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:02 am

Mr. Emery, I admire you for doing the right thing.

Hope to see you at some of our trials just south of you in Campbell, MO. Peach Country Beagle Club is the new AKC club. We are considering the following trial dates (pending approval): (1) MAB Derby Nov. 8-9, 2003 (2) AKC License CHB/UBGF Qualifier Feb. 21-22, 2004 (3) UBGF Derby Apr. 10-11, 2004.

Good running to ya my friend,

Clyde Gott
Crowley’s Ridge Beagles

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