The American Beagler Forum

I have 2 young beagles of a friend and he is having trouble with them trashing. some back ground is both dogs are about 1 1/2 yrs. old and just now going real good. He brought them over for me to work with so I took one of them with my old dogs sunday and she did a nice job. I saw 2 or 3 deer cross out in front of the dogs and she never even got froggy on the track with my older dogs with her. I ran the 2 of them together last night with my old tattle tale dog and I saw them jump 2 deer the pup I had not taken out yet sight chased and opened the other pup and my old dog harked to her and the old dog came back. The other pup went along but I never heard her open. I let them track the deer for about a 100 yrds in the brush before I lit both of them up. I might have been a little rough on them but I wanted to get my point across seeing the have been lit up before for running deer. I would say the ran rabbits for about an hour before the jumped the deer. It was getting dark so I wanted to load them up and go home to try again tonight the one pup came right in when she got buzzed the other took me about 45 minutes to find and catch her. I saw a rabbit on the way back to the truck neither pup would even attempt to get out from under my feet. I was just wanting some opinions on what to do next. Both these dogs have been shocked for doing this probably 3 or 4 times are they beyond hope or can I fix them? They are good hounds or I wouldn't even be messing with them this long. Any opinions welcome.

Just keep feeding them rabbit tracks and mabe set them up on a deer soon to see if they learned thier lesson. some will learn, others are just hard headed.

Big River

I never let em get to enjoy it for a hundred yards. I light them up as soon as they show interest and try to advance the track. Easier to prevent a problem than to correct one. Just keep feeding them rabbit tracks.

stop running the 2 pups together and dont burn them up so bad and also dont wait to shock them . you wont have the problems with the 2 seperated ,keep giving them quality running with the broke dog ,monitoring any deer movement while running ,[did they see any der ....] then after you have ran them and shot a few take them out by them selves and walk them through where there are deer with shocker in hand ,some dogs just love deer chases if so cull hard

I think your on your way to breaking them off trash. You definately got your point across, but I agree with the prior post, If you know its a trash trail, don't let them have the least bit of enjoyment with it. They are scent hounds that want a chase, and your job is to let them know that the deer trail leads to pain. I had a female that I thought would never break, but I followed the advise on this board worked it out. Set them up on some more deer, Shock em, then try to get them on rabbits ASAP. The ultimate test will be when another dog takes off on a deer, Will yours follow and open or will they not join in?
I wish you the best, The longer they have done it, The longer it will probably take to correct.

Like I say they are my friends dogs but its his only 2 so I thought I would run them with my broke dogs so I know if they are up to no good for him. He doesn't think they have ever got away with it but not sure he knows they have bumped deer on 3 occassions for sure and he e collared them. here in iowa its hard to find place that don't have deer so I am pretty sure these dogs have been across alot of deer scent in the last couple days and these are the first ones they have taken but I don't tolerate trashy hounds, Have been real fortuneate so far my hounds have not showed much interested in running trash. the couple I have had try it one ecollar session and they didn't want anymore.

I understand here in Northern Kentucky we have more deer than rabbits in most places.
There are some places/farms I avoid unless I want to set a dog up on a deer.

the best is while their pups and started good on rabbits keep a bottle of deer training scent around lay a line out on the ground.ALLOW THE PUPS TO WALKUP IF THEY SHOW INTEREST GIVE SOME JUICE.MAKE SURE YOU GET THEM ON A RABBIT BEFORE PUTTING THEM UP.DEER OUT IN FIELDS WORK BEST USE A 40FT LEAD.WHEN THE SEASON IS IN GET A HIDE AND HOOVES WITH GLOVES PUT IT OUT WITHOUT THEM SEEEING YOU.WHEN THEY WALK UP TO SNIFF IT SHOCK THEM.THE EARLIER THEY LEARN THE LESS PRBS YOU'LL HAVE.DEER SCENT IS LIKE COKE ONCE UP THE NOSE YOU COULD HAVE AN ADDICT IF A LESSON ISN'T TAUGHT A NO-NO.

AFTER SHOCKING OFF DEER KILL A BUNNY OR TWO LET THEM MAUL IT GNAW ON IT PRAISE THEM