The American Beagler Forum

I have a hound that barks alittle earlier than I like. Now I tell people he is cold trailing because non of my other dogs are opening up (they are tighter mouthed) and I've had alot of people tell me he just has a big nose. What is the difference? To me it is cold trailing because it is so early. Now it is evident to me that there has been a rabbit there because of the body language of the other hounds..but it takes a while to get the rabbit going...would you call that a cold nose or a big nose?

If he gets the Zabbit up I would say big nose, not if your other dogs save him either. If he is barking around on frost, but not getting the Zabbit up. I would call him mouthy.

Chaffin Crank wrote:I have a hound that barks alittle earlier than I like. Now I tell people he is cold trailing because non of my other dogs are opening up (they are tighter mouthed) and I've had alot of people tell me he just has a big nose. What is the difference? To me it is cold trailing because it is so early. Now it is evident to me that there has been a wabbit there because of the body language of the other hounds..but it takes a while to get the wabbit going...would you call that a cold nose or a big nose?

The dog certainly sounds like he has a colder (and by my definition, more powerful nose) than your other hounds. I don't know what you mean when you write "or a big nose"?? Do mean the dogs nose really is just big in relation to it's head or do you mean a strong, powerful nose when you write that? Either way it's the same thing I think????

Big nose is just the latest buzzword to try to be a little more PC about a cold trailing fool.

If that dog cold trails, but 9 times out of 10 the -abbit ends up jumped it has a better (yes I said better)nose than the rest of the pack! If it runs its mouth and really doesnt produce game with any consistency, I would say it lacks brains. I would suspect that a majority of the replies on this are going to say the same thing- cold nose piece of crap, I say the colder the better!

I don't mind one in my pack with a cold nose as long as the rabbits are produced 90% of the time. In fact, this type dog can be good for a pack on many days. Most my hounds are tight mouthed but I do have a young female that has extreme nose power. She isn't mouthy but opens up earlier than the rest of my dogs.

Is a cold nosed dog more likely to re run tracks if they hunt in the direction that a previous race was run ? I often hear about dogs that cold trail to a jump. The cottontails we run after the morning hour have to be jumped by hard hunting or winded. I like the hot nosed dogs that border on tight mouthed. I have seen too many times the "cold nosed" early opener pull hard hunting dogs out of cover to where that dog has a whiff of something it jumps half of the time. I have seen some big nosed dogs that could run tracks the others could not and with correct mouth.
I have never run hare or run in much snow, but early opening to me is a flaw. Some can live with it. I always remember a comment from an old rabbit hunter. " Just because the others are not mouthing does not mean that they don't smell the same thing". JMO

A dog that mouths off before the wabbit is jumped is a cold trailer.It has nothing to do with a big nose, or a better nose.All the other dogs in the pack can smell it their just smart enough not to bark.The problem with a cold trailer is it disrupts the rest of the pack,always pulling the other dogs from searching.A dog that smells a cold track should be searching for the rabbit not mouthing off.Sure they jump some of these wabbits but should be able to jump it without mouthing off and pulling the rest of the pack. I have even had judges scoring a dog cold trailing when the rest of the pack is silent,this is just poor hounds and poor judging.I know alot of you would disagree but look at this way do you want your pack mouthing off on a cold track that may end at a hole,or your pack looking for a rabbit they can jump and run to the gun.In my opinion most great jump dogs dont look for scent,they look for a wabbit to jump.


Al
Mo Valley Kennel

it aint a biger nose cause by body language u said the others smelled it ..what it is , is that ur other dogs have a smarter brain than he does they are not barking till they can run it not just track it,..he couldnt live here at all!

Pike Ridge Beagles wrote:I don't mind one in my pack with a cold nose as long as the wabbits are produced 90% of the time. In fact, this type dog can be good for a pack on many days. Most my hounds are tight mouthed but I do have a young female that has extreme nose power. She isn't mouthy but opens up earlier than the rest of my dogs.

I have the exact same situation and feel the same way , Except my female is 4 years old.

klrconcrete wrote:If that dog cold trails, but 9 times out of 10 the -abbit ends up jumped it has a better (yes I said better)nose than the rest of the pack! If it runs its mouth and really doesnt produce game with any consistency, I would say it lacks brains. I would suspect that a majority of the replies on this are going to say the same thing- cold nose piece of crap, I say the colder the better!

If the first dog barks on a cold line and the second doesn't bark but they both work the line with dedication until the rabbit is up and then the second hound opens, how can you say that one has a better nose.

It appears that most Hare Hunters like a dog that hunts for a cold line and tracks until the hare is up and moving.

As a cottontail hunter I want a dog that hunts likely hiding places and uses it's nose to wind the rabbit prior to jump. IMO, tracking a cold cottontail line is a waste of my time.

Chaffin Crank wrote:I have a hound that barks alittle earlier than I like. Now I tell people he is cold trailing because non of my other dogs are opening up (they are tighter mouthed) and I've had alot of people tell me he just has a big nose. What is the difference? To me it is cold trailing because it is so early. Now it is evident to me that there has been a wabbit there because of the body language of the other hounds..but it takes a while to get the wabbit going...would you call that a cold nose or a big nose?

Your hound has a problem if he's not getting the wrabbit up within a few minutes . When you see him doing this without your correct mouth dogs opening , give him a short boost of about 3 on the TT (use common sense as some hounds need less to realllly get the point) I'd rather make them squall as to have to push the button throughout the hunt . When using a shocking collar the point is to correct the mistake so that it doesn't happen when there's no training collar on that particular dog . I personally think beepers are overused and a shocking collar in the wrong hands will destroy any dog .

When you see a dog giving tail action and knowing he's tracking a wrabbit but none of your other hounds can track with him (he doesn't open until the wrabbit is up or within a couple minutes of being up ) then you got a dog with a big nose .

Just my opinion and it usually isn't worth much .

Buddy

JUDE wrote:

Chaffin Crank wrote:I have a hound that barks alittle earlier than I like. Now I tell people he is cold trailing because non of my other dogs are opening up (they are tighter mouthed) and I've had alot of people tell me he just has a big nose. What is the difference? To me it is cold trailing because it is so early. Now it is evident to me that there has been a wabbit there because of the body language of the other hounds..but it takes a while to get the wabbit going...would you call that a cold nose or a big nose?

Your hound has a problem if he's not getting the wrabbit up within a few minutes . When you see him doing this without your correct mouth dogs opening , give him a short boost of about 3 on the TT (use common sense as some hounds need less to realllly get the point) I'd rather make them squall as to have to push the button throughout the hunt . When using a shocking collar the point is to correct the mistake so that it doesn't happen when there's no training collar on that particular dog . I personally think beepers are overused and a shocking collar in the wrong hands will destroy any dog .

When you see a dog giving tail action and knowing he's tracking a wrabbit but none of your other hounds can track with him (he doesn't open until the wrabbit is up or within a couple minutes of being up ) then you got a dog with a big nose .

Just my opinion and it usually isn't worth much .

Buddy

why in the hell would u shock a hound who can smell a bunny. sell the hound to some who likes a bigger noise hound. and preacher i dont agree with what u said, some hounds have a better noise then others, and when the get enough smell they bark. i hate a tight mouth hound as much as a hate babler. but if they can produce, i will feed them.

bill (flint river ) wrote:

JUDE wrote:

Chaffin Crank wrote:I have a hound that barks alittle earlier than I like. Now I tell people he is cold trailing because non of my other dogs are opening up (they are tighter mouthed) and I've had alot of people tell me he just has a big nose. What is the difference? To me it is cold trailing because it is so early. Now it is evident to me that there has been a wabbit there because of the body language of the other hounds..but it takes a while to get the wabbit going...would you call that a cold nose or a big nose?

Your hound has a problem if he's not getting the wrabbit up within a few minutes . When you see him doing this without your correct mouth dogs opening , give him a short boost of about 3 on the TT (use common sense as some hounds need less to realllly get the point) I'd rather make them squall as to have to push the button throughout the hunt . When using a shocking collar the point is to correct the mistake so that it doesn't happen when there's no training collar on that particular dog . I personally think beepers are overused and a shocking collar in the wrong hands will destroy any dog .

When you see a dog giving tail action and knowing he's tracking a wrabbit but none of your other hounds can track with him (he doesn't open until the wrabbit is up or within a couple minutes of being up ) then you got a dog with a big nose .

Just my opinion and it usually isn't worth much .

Buddy

why in the would u shock a hound who can smell a bunny. sell the hound to some who likes a bigger noise hound. and preacher i dont agree with what u said, some hounds have a better noise then others, and when the get enough smell they bark. i hate a tight mouth hound as much as a hate babler. but if they can produce, i will feed them.

Bill , A hound who is continuously barking and not producing within a few minutes is a babbler . You shock them to stop the babbling .

Oh yeah btw Preacher is right and you are wrong as usual .


Buddy

I have some colder nose hounds and some that I would call hot nosed.

I'll put up with a few extra barks before the rabbit is up if THAT'S the dog keeping the race going when the scent is poor.