Unusually High Incidence of Kidney Problems???

TallDog · Post by **TallDog** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:39 pm

Am I imagining things or have others noticed that there seems to be an unusually high number of serious and fatal kidney ailments reported on the various beagle forums?? Now we hear that the Stanleys' hound, Speck, has had to be put down due to "kidney problems". Anyone else noticed an increase in this health problem in recent years? I'm always suspicious of hidden health hazards out there - especially in feed - so I'm just wondering.....

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:05 pm

Is it feed or an over zealous worming regimine, or a combination of both? I don't profess to know everything about doggy medicine, but I know that some of the preservatives that go into dog food can't be all that good for them because they won't allow them in food for human consumption. In the wild, wolves, yotes and ferral dogs live off of meat and guts and the only filler they get is hair/fur and feathers. It makes me wonder sometimes if what I am feeding my dogs is ok or not...

Emery

mjd · Post by **mjd** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:39 pm

be interesting to know if they used 26/18,how hard they ran them in the heat this summer,and if they use say ivomec how much they give them

mjd · Post by **mjd** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:39 pm

be interesting to know if they feed 26/18,how hard they ran them in the heat this summer,and if they use say ivomec how much they give them

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:06 pm

I had a guy that owned a feed store a few years ago that owned Pointers tell me that he uses Ivomec aggressively and knows that his bird dogs wouldn't live over about 7-8 years the way he used it, but would die healthy and without heartworms!!!!!!!!???????????? I asked why they died on Ivomec and he said that they usually died of kidney or liver failure. I'm glad he doesn't have dogs anymore, but I sure am sorry for his poor horses! Die healthy? Reckon he hopes to "die healthy" someday? Anyway, my question is, does Ivomec cause liver/kidney failure if used for prolonged periods or did he not know what he was talking about.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:11 pm

I wasn't thinking Ivomec, I was thinking about prazaquantel (sp?) and other general wormers.

Emery · Post by **Emery** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:11 pm

I wasn't thinking Ivomec, I was thinking about prazaquantel (sp?) and other general wormers.

APFII · Post by **APFII** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:59 pm

I believe their is also kidney problems in dogs that heat stroke .

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:56 pm

i think it's easy for a vet to say it's kidney failure and take your money.

NoBull · Post by **NoBull** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:23 pm

Good question on this a friend of mine recently had a very active healthy dog that he ran everyday just die of kidney failure I believe the dog was 6-7 years old way to young in my opinion the dog was a family pet as well so he had the OSU vet clinic do a check and the dogs kidneys looked like the dog had been being poisened in small amounts over the course of a few months just due to how they were detirated the only change we could find in the dogs was they were eating a new food and a new type of treats so we are not sure if that is it but he switched from Nutro to Hi Standard 3 months earlier to try and save some money and from purina treats to Iams treats

Hope this can help someone he has since changed back to his old food and treats and we can see a difference in the dogs energy coat and stoll and haven't had any health problems we could be way off the dog may have been getting into anything out running thats all we knew for sure was different.

"EDIT" I also forgot to mention she had signs of an overly abundant amount of Iron in her

DarkCornerKennel · Post by **DarkCornerKennel** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:17 pm

During the first diamond poisonings I had 22 dogs and was feeding diamond. All my dogs showed aflotoxin symptoms but only two died. I went all the way with the situation, first the vet and later autopsies. I ask the vet and the state two questions. The first was, did this poisoning occur over an extended period of time? Their answer was no, only one feeding will kill. The second was, Why did only two of my dogs die when all ate the same food. Their answer, One man can consume a little liquor and be drunk and another man has to consume much more to be drunk. Both dogs I lost were in their prime and healhty prior to the poisoning. Both were getting ivomec ( 2.5 tenths cc ) every two months. Both were dusted with 5 percent seven dust about three times each summer. A vet administered all their shots. They always had clean water. I honestly believe that many deaths by kidney failure is related to food. If everyone would tear the lot information off their dog food bag and keep them, then have an autopsy done on deaths by kidney failures, we might be able to improve food safety.

mjd · Post by **mjd** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:21 am

i stated ivomec because i know for a fact over dosing hounds can cause liver and kidney problems,od your calves with it over a period of time and see what happens,most ppl give 1cc to hounds read the label and see how many pounds 1 cc will worm a calf,i been using ivomec on hounds for over 20 yrs 1/10 cc per 10 lbs and my hounds live between 14- 16 yrs old,i raised veal calves for yrs also and know what will happen if u od them with it,summer month i cut back on the 26/18 and when running them make them quit and drink plenty of water ,jmo

SilverZuk · Post by **SilverZuk** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:37 am

Genetics - beagles is just one of the breeds known to have kidney defects.

LR Patch · Post by **LR Patch** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:37 am

Even at a 1/10cc per 10 lb. your still over dosing your hounds. Do the math , it comes out to more like 1/100cc per 10 lbs. I give .05/10 cc per dog for heart worms and have dome this for 20 + years for heart worms and never had any problem. I use other wormers for all other worms. I'm sure as you say over dosing is very hard on hounds , but I belive kidney failure is related to a combination of things including high protien feeds.

gus · Post by **gus** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:53 pm

SilverZuk wrote:Genetics - beagles is just one of the breeds known to have kidney defects.

It would be interesting if all beaglers who lost hounds to a particular ailment such as kidney problems, would post a pedigree. It may point out a particular line that is prone to having such problems.