Giving 100%

Post by **Bev** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:19 pm

Here's a new topic. Have you ever noticed a hound that won't give 100% to a strange handler or new owner? For instance, when you acquire a broke hound, how long do you wait to take it to the field with you for the first time? Do you base your final opinion on what the hound does the first two or three times out? Or, have you sent your hound to a trial with a trusted friend and he tells you the hound just didn't show as well as he normally does - that he seemed off-kilter? Whether you take them out immediately or wait, explain your reasoning behind it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:34 pm

I havent seen a problem with the way they run a rabbit but the way they handle is completely different with different people. I got a dog that was 10 months old and when I watched him run the owner had complete control and the dog handled like a dream. ( I watched him run 3 times) I took him home got him outa week later to run after I had him in yard for several days and I couldnt catch him! So back to the yard we went to clean his ears with a little electricity. A week of light bumping from the training collar and he handled for me just like the old owner.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:45 pm

Good Post. I have seen dogs that were all around better dogs for one paticular person. Use friends of mine as an example. They are father and son. The father spends a reasonable amount of time with each but the son probably has a slight edge. I have seen one of their dogs that is the best they own do well above average when the dad has had it out, but when the son has them out the dog becomes super dog. You can see it in the dog. He hunts harder and runs harder for the son than it does for the dad.

I guess it comes down to personalities. That is why you see culls from one kennel do great things in another. Sometimes no matter what a dog will not click in a certain environment. Even with trying different things. I personally usually give dogs a long time before I decide to cull, so I guess they tend to take up with me pretty good after a while. But I can see when you take a dog to a trial it probably has a disadvantage if you cant handle the hound.

Me personally my dogs would probably do as well with someone else as they would me. Hurt my feelings. lol

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:51 pm

I like to keep them up a few days then take them out with the pack. Hardly ever do they do well the first few times out as they will after the 4th or 5th time.

Bev, our dogs do not hunt as hard at a trial since we have to be silent. They are used to us whooping encouragement at them and especially when we change directions. They always know where we people are. I've had them quit hunting at a trial and come back looking for me to see if I was coming since they could not hear me.
If you bought that dog of mine and you hunt silent, what do you expect this dog to show you for a while. Beagles do better for the same person they are used to.

kjohns · Post by **kjohns** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:55 pm

My male doesn't hunt hard when my brother in law goes out with me. No matter what I do, I can't get him to hunt good. My brother in law is on the loud side in the woods when rabbitt hunting and I think the dog thinks he's getting yelled at and it confuses him. If I take him out on my own or w/ anyone else he'll tear the brush up. Incidently the fellow he came from couldn't get him to hunt at all. That's why I got him. I've never had a problem. He always hunts hard for me.

dabo · Post by **dabo** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:02 pm

I would get rid of him.

KPrice · Post by **KPrice** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:31 pm

Maybe getting rid of the brother in law is the answer.
I have an older female that will not hunt at all unless I work her. She hunts for me and will hunt where and when I tell her to hunt. And she will hunt HARD. But don't expect to just drop the tailgate and wait for her to go jump a rabbit. Some people may not tolerate that, but I happen to like it a lot. I have no idea if she will hunt for a stranger. She was born and raised in my backyard and has never been to the woods without me. I am not saying I would want a whole pack like her, but I consider her to be a fine gun-dog.

Joe West · Post by **Joe West** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:47 pm

Here's one for ya Bev. My father went hunting with me and my hounds all of the time but when he went to take them without me they wouldn't hunt but just stayed at his feet the whole time. I told him to just keep taking them and on about their third time out with him they were back to normal just as if I were there. Now previous to that they would handle for him in the field if I was there but without me they wouldn't do anything.

Whenever we got a new hound we don't even try to take them in the field until we are sure they have adjusted to us. Going to a new family can be traumatic for a hound and it's always best to wait till they are used to you before trying anything. I know of at least one guy who took a new hound in the field and lost him. There is no set time frame on how long to wait on takeing them running or when you could expect them to get down to their best work, each hound is an individual.

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:53 pm

This topic reminds me of my kids, their Mother tells them to do something and they kind of get to it when they want, half aszss if you will, but if I say do it now they move at 100% I quarantee that. So yea I quess dogs know to when they can get away with something...

bowhunter59 · Post by **bowhunter59** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:19 pm

i usually wait 2 days if the dog wont let me catch it in that time frame i usually get rid of it but if it fits what i am looking for in everything else hunt and color i will be more patient but i do despise shy dogs that run from u .but even at that if everything else is right 2 weeks is max and its gotta go.it dont have to be worlds greatest hunter firsdt time out just styay with pack pretty good and show a little something!

Robert W. Mccoy Jr · Post by **Robert W. Mccoy Jr** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:47 pm

I have seen it alot.

At field trials and hunting.

If I'm hunting my dog's we hunt at MY PACE.

If someone want's to hunt at there own pace they can do it without my dog's.

I have several freinds I hunt with.

But there are some I simply won't hunt my dog's with because they take off threw the woods and get the dogs al spread out.

I'm kinda funny about how I want my dog's to hunt and you can tell with the success we have when we hunt them like I have trained them.

I just kinda poke along and give them dog's time to work.

If someone is up ahead of me and I have to keep yelling at the dog's to get back to me then the dog's pick up on that and they simply stay near me and stop hunting.

I think there are alot of way's to throw a hound off. They are used to one handler or one way of doing things. If you change something they usually will not react well.

I know some guy's that cut there dog's loose at the tail gate and stand there. No way would my dog go and find a rabbit with me in there with them.

I agree beagles do not do well with change

Hare Hunter · Post by **Hare Hunter** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:10 pm

My dogs couldn't care less who gives them a ride to the woods. They have one thing in mind when turned loose, find a hare and try to catch it. Now when it is time to go home that's anpther story, three of them might mind a stranger but my oldest female probably would look like a shy dog, she handles for me and one hunting buddy I have, anyone else, all I could say is good luck trying to get a leash on her. Hare

littlerabbit · Post by **littlerabbit** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:57 pm

i got a dog from my uncle he was going to butt her down she wouldn't do any thing for him or his buddies but i talked him into giveing her to me well she ran with best of my dogs and she would run and handle well for my cousin but she wouldn't do a thing when my uncle was around she was a n't afraid of him just walk beside him and get under his feet just goes to show you one mans junk is anothers treasures

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:19 pm

I have one that is different in every situation. You just go run dogs and she may quit when she gets tired and just mess around . If you carry a gun she will hunt all day. If you take her with dogs that won't hunt hard and jump rabbits then she will hunt and jump them herself, but if there are a couple other jump dogs along she will just venture around bark once or twice at a good spot, get the other dogs to go in and do the work and then join the race.She stays away from me very long she comes to see what I'm doing and if I'm sitting on a stump she may just sit down too , but If I get up and say lets go she is ready. I've had her since she was 3 months old and she is very loyal to me and minds well but is a little jealous , she will try to stay between me and other dogs. She isn't bad to fight but she doesn't like me petting other dogs. She handles well for my son but just sort of looks at my wife and does her own thing.I probably wouldn't buy one like her but we're attached so she has a life long home.

dabo · Post by **dabo** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:13 pm

Yes I meant get rid of the bother in law and keep the dog by all means.

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