DNA Testing

sanfordssj · Post by **sanfordssj** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:49 pm

How many times can you breed a male before you are required to have a DNA test done by AKC?

Brad C · Post by **Brad C** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:06 am

You have to have the sire DNA tested if you breed him more than 3 times a year or 7 times total. No big deal to do it. Contact AKC and they will send you a kit.

hounddog · Post by **hounddog** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:06 am

I think it is by the 7th litter they sire.

hounddog
Jim Umbarger

oakhill · Post by **oakhill** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:32 am

The rule says "Every sire producing seven or more litters in his lifetime or producing more than three litters in the calendar year must be AKC DNA certified".

Straight from the regulation pamplet.

coolbrze · Post by **coolbrze** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:16 am

What exactly does this mean? How do you go about doing it, I recently bought a Field Champion male beagle and am curious as to what I have to do.

oakhill · Post by **oakhill** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:27 am

Go to this site.

http://www.akc.org/dna/index.cfm

Click on order dna kit to the left.

The kits are free, but ya gotta sent em money when you send the kits back in.

coolbrze · Post by **coolbrze** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:42 am

Thanks. Is this something done each breeding or yearly or what? Does it start over for me since I'm a new owner? What if I didn't do it and want to register his pups? Does AKC deny me the pups AKC papers?

oakhill · Post by **oakhill** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:19 pm

You need to know how many registered breeding there were for this hound. If the hound has produce 6 litters already then you need to do the dna on it to register any more litters.

If the hound has under 6 litters and less than 4 in this calendar year then you can still use him without dna being done

Once the dna test is done, it never has to be done again. It goes with the hound for the rest of its life. Did you ask the previous owner if dna had been done on the hound already???

They won't deny you registering the pups. They will require the hound be dna certified then you will be able to register the pups. The certificate takes about 6 to 8 wks to get back after you send in the kit.

You might need to call akc and see how many litters have been registered to this sire.

akc phone number 919-233-9767

jonnyringo · Post by **jonnyringo** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:40 pm

Both my Branko dogs are AKC DNA profiled. It is a requirement when registering a foreign born or CKC registered dog. It costs $40.00 per dog if I remember correctly.

Chief Long Hair · Post by **Chief Long Hair** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:51 pm

$35 if you pay for them as you order them or $40 if you get the kit first then mail in with fee; or did AKC just raise their fees?

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:26 pm

On all 5 of my AKC pedigrees I see DNA numbers on grand parents and great grandparents of my hounds. What would happen if I DNA'd my 2 males and there was no match????? Does the AKC do this to catch crooks in our sport??? I kinda think every hound should be DNA certified, that would stop problems before they start!!! Maybe some of the Field Trail judges that I hear you guys bitching about all the time need checking also, what do you think!!!!

Crew Chief

jonnyringo · Post by **jonnyringo** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:36 pm

Chief Long Hair wrote:$35 if you pay for them as you order them or $40 if you get the kit first then mail in with fee; or did AKC just raise their fees?

If I remember correctly it was around $40.00 and I think there was two ways to pay for the service, one being slightly cheaper than the other. I believe if you prepay it is ten bucks or so cheaper. What killed me was the certified pedigree and I had to get it on two different dogs. I think the whole thing total was around a few hundred dollars for two dogs.

sanfordssj · Post by **sanfordssj** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:55 pm

Thanks everyone for the info. I'm glad to hear that it isn't something like a couple of hundred bucks to get the DNA done.

Steve

JAW · Post by **JAW** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:27 am

[quote="crewchf"] What would happen if I DNA'd my 2 males and there was no match????? Does the AKC do this to catch crooks in our sport??? I kinda think every hound should be DNA certified, that would stop problems before they start!!!

I often wonder about these two questions myself. I also think every hound male/female should be DNA profiled if you plan to sale them or their offspring. I DNA all my hounds once they have been bred so there is no doubt as to the sire/dam of the puppies. I do this just in case I decide to sale a young hound once it's started.

If you have two females and you breed both to a stud that is DNA profiled how do the buyer know which female the puppies come from unless the females are DNA profiled also? Suppose the breeder send off for the litter registration applications and some of the pups die from the most valuable female that he already has booked? Do he turn down the $300 per pup and tell you they died or replace them with the other females pups?

You maybe saying why buy from someone you don't trust? Well, I put trust in a fellow once and I got burnt bad. The seller finally told me he registered the litter under a different sire because he didn't have the paper work on the real sire of the litter. John

oakhill · Post by **oakhill** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:59 am

All papers are only as good as the person you buy from. Anyone can switch papers on just about any dog that has the same color. That is why you should stay away from most dog traders.

Now, if you dna all the hounds out there, there would be such a back log you would never get any papers for any hounds. And then who is to say that the kit used on a sire came from that male. You could take a grade dog and use a no good hound's akc number and certify that hound and put the papers on it. And, if it is required of beagles then what about all the other dogs registered to akc? I don't have a problem with doing a dna profile on my sires. But, if I had to do it on every dog in my kennel akc would be rich and I would be in the poor house. This is a way to try and keep breeders honest but there is always a way around if somebody wants to be a crook.