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I"m thinking of trying pride dog food. hows the preformace on your dogs? I used diamond afraid of it now. thanks k.hensler.

I use it....................No complaints

I use it too, chicken/rice 21/17 performance is fine,good coat the best feed for the money. $14 per 50 lb.

My cousin and I have been using it for about 1 1/2 years now and we really like it. We also feed the chicken/rice 21/17 and our dogs do well on it. We have feed it ever since we stopped putting Diamond to our dogs lips.

What price are you guys getting on your C/R 21-17 Pride? I'm hearing quotes anywhere from $12.75 - $15.75.
I got a buddy that sometimes deadheads from the east and said, he'd haul for .50 a bag but, I don't know what I'd do with a simi load...

I GET THE 21/17 FOR $14 IN THE 50 LB BAG

Come On You Guys,, don't be so Dad Gum CHEAP!!!! Eukanuba Premium Performance, there's a beagle on the bag,,, for some of you who can't spell!!!

Crew Chief

I don't mind to spend the money but the name dosen't make it better.If I can get same good quality for less it's called logic. But am open for all suggestions.I"am looking for food that holds up to pounding your dogs . Cooler wheather coming. YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for all imput.HAPPY running. K Hensler

khensler01 wrote:I don't mind to spend the money but the name dosen't make it better.If I can get same good quality for less it's called logic. But am open for all suggestions.I"am looking for food that holds up to pounding your dogs . Cooler wheather coming. YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for all imput.HAPPY running. K Hensler

Let's compare several foods by the ingredients list. I have bolded questionable ingredients and will provide an explaination below.

Here's the Eukanuba Performance Active formula (30p/20f) 435 kcal/cup

Ingredients
Chicken, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Meal, Brewers Rice, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Choline Chloride, Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate), DL-Methionine, L-Carnitine, Rosemary Extract

While I prefer to find "chicken" in a food as opposed to meat and bone meal, listing it this way means that the meat is inclusive of all its water content (approx 80%) as well. This makes it weight more which pushes it up to the front of the ingredient list, but once processed, it loses alot of it's weight and drops down the list in relation to the other ingredients. Chicken-by products meal is not the worst, but I wouldn't want it listed as one of the first two or three ingredients as a main source of protein. Ideally, chicken meal would be the best, as it has all the qualities of "chicken" yet the water weight has been removed PRIOR to inclusion in the food. It also provides much more concentrated protein (amino acids) AND is a reliable ingredient which seldom varies from batch to batch because of AAFCO regulations. Fish meal, while it's great that they are adding ANOTHER source of protein, it would be better if it was a named species of fish instead of a generic fish of unknown origin that can vary from batch to batch, thus creating an unreliability that would not exsist if it was a NAMED species. Also, fish meal of ANY kind can not be imported with out being preserved with ethoxiquin by US Coast Guard regulations unless permits have been aquired OR if it's destine for "Human Consumption". The ground sorgum is just added in for filler.

Here's the Pride Kennel Pack (22p/16f) no listing of kcals, but approx. 400kcal/cup

Ingredients
Ground Yellow Corn, Meat and Bone Meal, Poultry Fat (stabilized with mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Flaxseed, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin supplement, Copper Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate in Gelaton, Manganous Oxide, Copper Oxide, d-Bitotin Menadion, Dimehtylpryimidinol Bisulfite (source of vitamin K), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Inositol, and Sodium Selenite

While corn is not inherently bad, it should NEVER be the first ingredient on the list. This means that it is being used as the MAIN protein source. Meat and bone meal is another one of those generic meat sources that you NEVER know where it's coming from and each batch of food can be different. Ever wonder why your dogs can do well on a food for a while and then all of a sudden lose conditions or coat? This is the reason. The protein source or ingredient is unreliable and can change with the weather depending on what's the cheapest when the buyers are at the rendering plants. Meat and bone meal can also contain ANY kind of meat, chicken, road kill, horse, donkey, beef, goat, oppossum, and some reports of euthanized pets have also surfaced. It's just NOT a good thing to have in a dog food. Also, some of these meals have alot of bone in them, which can cause some issue with the liver and kidneys because of the HIGH mineral content. Poultry fat, again another generic source that can change from batch to batch. It can include chicken, turkey, duck, pidgeon, guinea, or ANY other fowl and also include birds from questionable sources (not slaughtered for food).

Here's one that's not mentioned in this thread - Eagle Pack Power formula (30p/20f) 431 kcals/cup

Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Pork Meal, Corn Germ Meal (Dry Milled), Dried Beet Pulp, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Anchovy & Sardine Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Egg Product, Flaxseed, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, DL-Methionine, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, d-Pantothenic Acid, Niacin Supplement, Choline Chloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Inositol, Dehydrated Kelp, Polysaccharide Complexes (sequestered) of Zinc, Iron, Manganese, Copper and Cobalt, Potassium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium, B. Subtillus, Bacillus lichenformis, Bacillus coagulins, Aspergillus oryzae and Aspergillus niger.

I don't like grain "fractions" (or portions of grains broken down into little parts to make it look like it's less), but in this case, the reason for it is to increase the protein.


Also, as you can see, the kcals are very close in each of these foods, BUT the digestability of these foods is going to be VERY different. You could pack 1000 calories into a food and if the ingredients weren't easily digested, then those calories are wasted. The better the quality of ingredients, the easier they are to digest and the calories are easier utilized. When you see a food that says metabolizable energy, that means that the amount specified is the "useable" amounts based on digestability testing procedures. Keep in mind these are based on TESTS performed in a lab setting and all dogs are different.

If ingredients aren't easily digested, it will show in the stool quality and quantity. While processing helps to break down carbohydrates and fiber, dogs are not very efficent at breaking down alot of fiber in the GIT. Understanding that, shows that foods high in grains, are not that well digested and WILL show up in the stool. I will also point out that, Beet Pulp is adding in varing quantites in various dog foods and used correctly, is not a bad thing, but when it's high on the list, it is being used to harden the stool to make it easier to clean up and make the food appear to have a better digestability.

Bunny runner. That is the best explaination i"ve ever heard or read.Thanks for your time and imput.It has been well considered.I have posted on mine favorites to keep clear in my mine.WELL done thanks K Hensler.

I feed the green bag of The Pride and don't have any complaints. Switched from Iams to Diamond to Pride and really have only seen a difference with the Diamond towards the end. Never saw a difference between Iams and Diamond (before all the crap with them). The Pride showed some improvements because Diamond seemed to be playing with their formula just before I switched.
My dogs run for 8-10 hours when it starts cooling down.

Dane

Euk says feed your dog like its a Carnivore!!! Protein from plants are NOT as goiod as meats!!!! Their websites tell it all and are written by Vets, thats enough for me to trust em and TRUST is what this all BOILS down too (Diamond Feeds) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crew Chief

PS The wife just brought up a good point. We believe that the Hounds get bored no matter what feed we're a givin them!!! We hit ours with some Euk canned chicken and rice every couple of weeks on top of their premium performance, seems to keep em happy!!! Of course we give em raw steak too,, ours are a living like kings and queens!!!!!!!! You Gotta Love Em!!!!!

Here is the exact ingredients statement off of a bag of the Pride 21/17 Chicken and Rice formula. I don't know what a lot of these additives are but I do know that both my cousins dogs and my dogs are nice and slick with plenty of get up and go. When I was feeding Diamond LONG before there problems even arose I was ashamed of anyone to see my dogs as I was afraid they would turn me in for cruelty to animals. It wasn't just mine either as my cousins were in the same shape on Diamond and we purchased it at entirly different places.

Chicken by Product Meal, Ground Brewers Rice, Ground Yellow Corn, Poultry Fat (stabilized with mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Sugar Extracted Beet Pulp, Wheat Flour, Animal Digest, Fish Meal, Flax Seed, Salt, Brewers Dried Yeast, Garlic, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Zinc Oxide, Calcium Carbonate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Selenite, Copper Sulfate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Folic Acid, Vitamin A Acetate, Manganous Oxide, d-Biotin, Menadione Dimethyprimidinol Bisulfate (source of Vitimin K), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin, Pyridoxide Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.

Crew chief, feed is a topic alot like bloodlines. Everyone has an opinion. Euk is good food but I can justify spending that much on a bag of food when I can get the same results for half the price. Besides I switched off of Iams/Euk years ago because they support HSUS/PETA. Bet that isn't listed in big print on the website.

Dane

Here's some good information that provides some explaination about ingredients on your dog food label. It includes the AAFCO definition of each ingredient AND an explaination as to what the ingredients can include, why or why not it's beneficial, etc

http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php ... ngredients