The American Beagler Forum

i got some young dogs coming up been doin reall good never touched a deer or anything until last few weeks or so.now i have had it happen twice.. both times i had the help of mr. tritronics and busted them good.just how,any times do yall normally need to break dog or decide this is a deer dog and get rid of it... now i aint calling them deer dogs yet lol. but just wanting some opinions on what yall do or time frames or whatever.!

It depends on how well I like them to start with. Some only take one correction. Many take two to three corrections. Those that take over three BETTER have some good traits that I really like because they are reaching my limit at that point. If you like them and they run rabbits well, I would be extra patient with them. I would just run them like normal with the collars on them just in case until they turn down many oportunities to run deer. The only exception is the beagle that leaves the rest of the pack running a rabbit to pursue a deer - I would get rid of any that do that! Fortunately, I have several fully broke beagles that will come back if any dog in the pack starts a deer. When two young beagles are opening alone and I see my old dogs coming in with their tails ducked, the youngsters get hit full blast until I here them coming back for sure. Sometimes it hurts their hunt for a while but I will not tolerate deer running! Here if you have a deer runner, you might as well stay home as there are more deer than rabbits in our woods! Good luck breaking them!

I believe you need to figure out your dog. I had a female getting out of my fence and I put up a electric wire on the fence. Well to make a long story short she only touched the wire once and it took my male 3 times to figure out, stay away when he sees the wire. He was just a little slower than her but did that make him a bad dog? NO It just means I needed to spend a little more time with him on things.LOL Good Luck, Paul

I had a male that I really liked and purchased a 2 dog unit because he liked to chase those hoofed rabbits as well. It took only about 2-3 times on level 5 or 6 to figure out that I was not out for deer. When ever I would go out and someone else's dog would run a deer he would make a bee-line to me stand by my side. If it's a female, you want to watch the strength of your collar because they get to timid if you burn them too much. I would put the setting on 3-4 and would only have to hit them a couple of times and that cleared it up. I have not had to use my collar in the last 2 years because it worked so well. Shock collars are worth their weight in gold that's for sure.

I don't remember where I read this. Man got a coon dog that would chase deer all night. Used shock collar first two times loaded dog and went home. Used shock collar third time tied dog to tree and beat it with a deer leg. Stuck deer leg in front of dogs nose and let it get a big smell and then hit dog with deer leg. Did this over and over. Dog never ran deer fourth time. Might be a tale. I thought when I read it that dog associated deer smell with pain. Is that not what a shock collar does.

Preacher

This time of year bucks with their necks all swollen and stinking and roaming about breeding are the hardest for a dog to turn down.

Chuck gave good advice!
I would add that I would get rid of one right aweay that quits getting in thick stuff and is obviously not loking for a rabbit, but is looking for a deer track to follow.
I have never seen one that started hunting deer ever quit that hunt style and go back to hunting where rabbits bed up even if it broke off running deer.

Purposely hit a deer track. If dog runs deer hold down firmly on button. Don't be too generous. Three or four times you might have a deer dog. Put them right on a deer just to be sure that is what it is.

You have been given some good advice.Only thing I have to add is if you can't break them call me.LOL I need a few more deer runners.

I apply the same rule as with a hound that gets quilled. 3 strikes your out. I feel if they so dumb that they can't catch on, they need to go . I pull quills 2 times never 3.

your problem stems back much further than the deer red you need more black on them hounds....... to much yeller and white you can go to wallyworld and buy some rustoleum paint or i'll let you have a pup out of pine mt scrubby and DD.... well just trying to help.....

go walk them over a good hot deer sign and if they get on it put the transmitter on melt and that should take care of it after a couple of times.
thats what i am doing anyway seems to work....

hillbilly

Just an opinion on the 2 or 3 strikes and your out. I went through the pain in the neck deer breaking and stuck with it until my hair almost fell out. It took me a little longer with 2 of my dogs, more than likely my fault. It took approximately 6 lessons to cure them, less with some. I even lost 2 of them twice, but I stuck with it and burnt them up. The last 3 or 4 times I put them on deer they have ran to my feet and whined like they knew the thunder was coming. Today 7 deer came through while we was hunting and I imediately took them over to where they came through, easily noticed by the snow and because they were only 60 or 70 yards from us and they crawled under my feet and cried. Well I can't say that they will never run a deer again but they seem to broke for now. Not trying to start a argument but my dogs and time is worth more than 2 or 3 times. I almost gave my up on my dogs and I'm glad I haven't because none of my friends dogs can touch mine, not to be tooting my own horn but they are really that good. Patience is a virture and one that is easily forgotten.

good post Chuck

Bayou,I commend your patience.However I am like Jack 3 strikes your out.I run young dogs with broke dogs if they take trash 2 times and are corrected for it they get one more chance.After the third time I cull the dog.I don't care how good it is. Like most of us I work for a living.I have limited time to hunt.I am not going out of the county to hunt and worry about loosing dogs.I wish I had more paitence.My loss is someone else gain.I tell the truth about a hound.If someone wants to try and break them then more power to them.To me if a dog wants to run a rabbit I give it a chance if they continue to show interest in off game I am done with them period.I am glad your hounds are comming along to your satisfaction.

thx guys for all the info.. and urs too hillbilly..lol..will continue to work on them havent had much time lately to run i will break them or electricute them to death lol....i want to put them on a deer on purpose soon as i can.

Hey there's some really good stuff on here. But I'm from the old school and we use to put a deer hide in a 55 gal. drum and roll them down the hill, tye a peice around the old collar, use a deer leg. Then came those Tri Tronics. I guess after you've looked for a couple days and finally get them back your tolerance and patience have about worn out. My pain theory is if you like it that much you can crawl back to me. I'm not cruel, but they do get a understanding that I won't put up with it.

I'll ask one queston about keeping on keeping on, are the hounds deer broke or collar broke? The smart ones learn to not run deer . The other kind won't run deer when they are collared up.