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ANY ONE SEEN HIM RUN? I HAVE A 10 MONTH OLD MALE OUT OF HIM AND ANOTHER ARMANDO BITCH ,,JUST TOOK HIM TO A STARTING PEN TODAY,,WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS,,,THANKS MATT

He dominated the canadian circuit wonour nats speed brains and bottom far and away our best 13 " mainland male. Good luck and have fun his
pups are now showing up well on our circuit. Awful Bawlin

thanks alot,,i got him started over the weekend and he is coming on strong,,,i love the way he hunts,,looks like a good derby prospect,,,matt

i hear the term derby alot but not quite sure what it means. could someone answer this for me? keith

Hope you got papers with yours. Paul is famous for not giving the papers with dogs he sells.

Have never had any trouble with Paul,just purchased 3 pups before christmas and never had any trouble with anything.

Derby is a term for a 2 year old hound, they have special trials for them.

Hundreds of hounds have been purchased and run in trials from the Pazienza's in the 30 or so years they've been beagling with absolutely no problems with paper's that I've ever heard about. As secretary of a local club and also of the association they belong to, I'd have heard if there was an issue. Also, I've judged Levi, and he's the real deal! A good looking, true 13" hound with all the qualities that make a good trial and gun dog.

Just Had Three Dogs From Paul And Got Papers Shortly After.

How honest is Levi with his mouth? Any extra or lose mouth? Also has Levi ever ran anything other than hare/cottontail?

I don't know if Levi has ever ran anything other than rabbit, but he has offspring than are placing and winning on the Canadian Fox Trial circuit. A young male out of Levi only needed a win to become a fox champion but was recently killed by coyotes. His owner has told me that although this young hound would chase rabbit, fox, and coyote he was deer proof. He was never shocked off them but was ran from an early age with a deer proof older hound.

Well here is the story as told to me of how Paul deals with people. A guy I know traded Paul a female out of English Bobby and Armando’s Tasha four years ago. The trade was that Paul was to get this female and breed it to Piper and my friend was to get one of the female pups. The day Paul got the female she came in heat. He bred her to Levi. He was supposed to breed her to Piper. One year later Paul got around to sending the pups to my friend. Yes pups, two. Paul said that she only had two pups so he could take them both for a while and see which one he wanted. One was 10 inches and the other was 11 inches at 10 months of age. My friend took the 11 inch one and sent the 10 inch back to Paul.

Immediately my friend started inquiring about papers for the pup he got back in the trade. Paul kept promising they were coming tomorrow. Finally Paul admitted that he never put the female in his name and that he never litter registered the pups. He said that my friend would have to lie and say the pups were born in the USA so they could be registered. My friend refused to falsify the papers and told Paul that he would have to figure out a way to fix this situation.

Well, a year after that Paul still hadn’t got my friend any papers. My friend knew he was screwed and just got rid of the dog. He then called Paul and told him that he owed him another dog. Paul admitted that he did in fact owe him another dog. My friend told him that he wanted a Female out of Piper which was the original deal. He said he didn’t care if it was a pup or a running dog but he wanted one out of piper.

Well guess what? Another year later my freeing gets a call from a man 3 hours from his house and says “I have a pup here that Paul Pazienza sent you and you need to get it today” No warning no nothing, just you need to get your pup. My friend got in his truck and drove to the mans house. He got there and there was his nice 8 week old good looking MALE puppy. Screwed again. After talking to the man for a bit he said, oh well, at least I finally got a Piper pup. The man looked at him and said “that pup is out of MJR Mitsou Zorro” WTF!

He took the pup home anyway and figured he would make the best of a bad situation. He called Paul and told him he got the pup and was not happy that it was a male and that it was out of Zorro. Paul just played dumb. He then asked about the papers. Paul told him that he would have to send him $50 if he wanted papers. My friend said send me the papers and I will send you the money. Paul asked him what he wanted the pup named. My friend said that he wanted to put his kennel name on the dog and not Armando’s. This was for two reasons. First he had his belly full of Paul already and second only one dog in three generations even carried “Armando’s” on it, that was Zachary. This was not even Pauls breeding. Paul agreed.

Ten months later Paul finally sent the CKC papers to my friend. Only after demanding that my friend send the $50 first. He got his papers and The papers said “Armando’s” not my friends kennel name. My friends name was spelled wrong, the wrong city was on the papers and he spelled the dogs name wrong. WTF

So my friend that was nice enough to give Paul a female out of Bobby and Tasha now 4 years later has a pup out of Zorro and a Kingwood bitch with the name spelled wrong on the papers. It is a male that was supposed to be a female too. Guess what, the first day my friend took the dog out to start him, he started…………on a deer!

You make your own decisions about Paul.

Kind of weird aint it. All he wanted was a pup out of Piper and he was willing to give a bitch of that breeding to get it. And Pauld bent him right over. Paul should have taken it as a compliment that teh man was so willing to give something so valuable for a pup out of Piper. Then to do hime that way?

Wayne thanks for the reply.

Steve will all due respect evidently your friend is dumb. Why in the heck would he give a dog directly out of Bobby and Tasha to someone? Just for a pup out of Piper. No offense to Paul or Armando, but when I saw Piper ran down here in the Midwest he was mouthier than a boxcar full of monkeys. Furthermore I have had New Englanders tell me on more than one occasion he was very gamey. That's reason I ask about how Levi's mouth was and whether he'd ran offgame. Sorry if I offend any of Paul and Armando's friends, but hey I saw enough out of the old dog to wanna question the young dog.

Furthermore why didn't your buddy just breed his very very well bred female to Piper himself? He'd definitely got his pup out of Piper then. I'm not saying what Paul supposedly did(there's two sides to every story) was right, but still your friend brought most of this upon himself.

HE did it as a favor to Paul. The female was old and he didn't know if she could have another litter. Paul had inquired about her through a mutual friend and expressed an interest in getting here. My friend was going to breed her to Piper anyway so it appeared to be a good deal. As it turns out, it wasn't. As it was she only had two pups because she was so old. He had bred her the heat cycle before and she only had two pups and they both died. He then bred her again and had no pups. Then he traded her to Paul. It would have worked out if Paul would have kept up his end of the bargain. He figured at most she was going to have two pups and Paul would get one and he would get one. Not much different than paying a stud fee.

Is he dumb for making the deal, hindsight yes. She was a very well bred dog that was old. He ended up feeding an 11 inch piece of #$%^ for two years and getting a Male pup out of someone elses breeding for his generosity. bottom line is, paul screwed him and he has screwed many others the same way. Funny when you tell people what happened they have plenty of other horror stories about Paul.

He screwed him and then asked him to falsify an AKC litter application to get the papers. He took the screwing and chose not to falsify the papers.