Changes for L.P.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:14 am

Lets give Paul Prevot some idea's for changes we would like to see for L.P.

I will start it off by

1. To have someway to demerit a dog that is mouthy in the check area.

2. Change the no hunt rule to 15 minutes insted of 30

3. Make it harder to get to the World, say make it a top 3 in placement insted of a top 5, I know this will be frowned on due to the money situation, but this would illiminate several open dogs from making it that shouldnt be there.

4. And I know this would be hard to do but appoint about 30 top judges to judge at the world hunt and take care of them for the weekend at the World, take out about 13 cast a round and rest half the judges at a time.
I know that would be hard to do but I am sure some others have some good idea's on this topic and probably a better way of doing it than I have.
I am not saying I was cheated at all, I will have to say I was judged good all weekend but 1 cast I drawed a judge who didnt give much effort.
I liked the idea that they tried to take better care of their judges this year than in the past but it just wasnt a very fair way the way it worked out.
I know of 1 judge who judged 9 rounds and never did win the extra hundred, and I know of 1 judge who judged 1 round and won it.
I think they would have been better off splitting up all the money they gave away to every judge every round insted of just picking out a lucky few.
And yes Me and Tony got lucky and won it one round, but me and Tony Kildow judged either 4 or 5 rounds and it just wasnt right for a guy to judge 9 rounds and never win anything.
Theres my thots lets hear some of you guys thots.

Jamie Rice · Post by **Jamie Rice** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:41 am

Three Words: TRENT FOR PRESIDENT!

Can you imagine the bumper stickers at all those ARHA hunts?

GOT WOOD?
SWING ANYONE?

Hare Hunter · Post by **Hare Hunter** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:49 am

Ok Swing I'll be the first to bite. Rule 1 of your changes, there is already a rule in place, if the dog is barking and not producing the rabbit it is a -10, just inforce it, if it is being saved by another hound then it is hard to do. Rule change number 2, 15 minutes is more then enough time for a dog to hunt, this has been a stick in my craw for awhile. Rule number 3 could be at least 2 top 5 places or one top 3 finish. Just my 2 cents Hare

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:55 am

Sounds good so far,( except the president part) lol Earl believe me I use the minus rule which you are implying, the rule I am talking about tho is for a dog who barks out of place in the check area and disrupts the pack from looking or searching. I think that is a fault and needs discredit where discredit is due

LaMarr Rhoades · Post by **LaMarr Rhoades** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:29 am

I believe there should be a way to put all the judges dogs in casts togather that way the judge can run his own dog.I think this would bring more peaple to judge.Say you have ten cast,that would mean there are two cast of judges dogs,you could pick two judges that could run there dogs in the first round therefore having enough judges to judge the second round and everyone is happy because they got to run there own dog.There would be alot more judges out there if they got the chance to still run there own dog.

Laurel Mtn Kennels · Post by **Laurel Mtn Kennels** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:12 am

LaMarr

Who would judge the judges dogs

rabitruner · Post by **rabitruner** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:19 am

MY FRIEND AND I JUDGED SEVEN ROUNDS BETWEEN US MOST TOGETHER AND WE DID NOT WIN ANYTHING. WE JUDGED 2 THUR, 2 FRI AND 3 SAT THEY WANTED US FOR THE FINAL BUT WE WERE SPENT. WE DID GET TO RUN OUR OWN DOGS AND WACTH THE FINALS IN THE OPEN.
ALL AND ALL I HAD A BLAST NOT BAD FOR MY FIRST TRIP OUT THERE.

ANDY

Post by **Aaron Bartlett** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:01 am

I dont attend many LP trials unless there is one close and there is nothing else going on but from what ive seen on the casts ive been out on(wether I had a dog in it or not) is that LP needs to make these judges USE the minus rules that are in the rulebook! Out of all the LP casts ive been to I have NEVER seen a dog minused (except for a non-produce). I have seen several dogs win casts that I am 100% sure couldnt circle a rabbit by themselves if thier life depended on it! Im sure that not all judges in LP are this way but the ones ive seen are. I would say if they applied the minus rules that are already in affect and added a few others that have been mentioned there would be fewer(but much better) dogs at the world and LP would get away from a "ANYTHING GOES" mentality. Just my opinion......

JimM · Post by **JimM** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:28 am

Stony,

If you had seen judges running themselves to death, like those of us that attended the World Hunt did, you might feel differently. I was in the field for every round (except the final, unfortunately

) and saw the best judging I have ever seen.

Also, your comment on dogs that win casts that can't cirlce a rabbit is definitely the exception and not the rule. Cast after cast came in at the world that ran the whole hour with only a few 15 second checks.

I have judged consistently for the last 8 years, and the dogs have continually improved. Every hunt that I attend, I see dogs that I would like to own, and casts that pound rabbits.

If the dogs at the World get much better, it will be impossible to get judges. The majority of casts ran almost nonstop for the entire cast.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:22 pm

Stony,
Have you ever judged a L.P. trial?

randy37 · Post by **randy37** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:25 pm

Trent, why not go back to two hour cast,like days of old let the hounds place themselves. The rules are work to a point just need more time for the cream to rise to the top.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:30 pm

Ok Swing I'll be the first to bite. Rule 1 of your changes, there is already a rule in place, if the dog is barking and not producing the rabbit it is a -10, just inforce it, if it is being saved by another hound then it is hard to do.

Earl I copy and pasted what you posted, heres what I have been doing about that scenerio, may not be right according to some but this is how I read the rule.

Dogs are cut loose and a dog opens or begins cold trailing rest of the dogs check him and just go on hunting( dog is on the clock ) if those other dogs fan out and start looking and get out a quite aways to what I would assume to be another rabbit and the dog who opened first picks up his head and go's to the other dogs which have opened, I minus the dog who opened first. Whether it has been 3 minutes or not.
Rule reads something like this, I dont have the rule book in front of me right now so I may be off a little.
If a dog quits or leaves a track it is to be minus 10 points if it doesnt produce the rabbit within 3 minutes. doesnt say anything about another dog saving a mouthy dog off the end of a lead.
Someone with a rule book close can type it word for word but that is how I interpet the rule.

LaMarr Rhoades · Post by **LaMarr Rhoades** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:51 pm

you take two judges dogs out in the first round therefore freeeing them up to judge the judges dogs in the second round.

swing · Post by **swing** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:23 pm

Id say another one would be make the Champs certify.

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:52 pm

I would like to see the rules changed to give the one hound in the cast that carried the line the best get some points.......say 50? I've seen so many times a dog carry the pack, get checks at 5-14 seconds and never get a point for it. I've seen a few dominate a race but never get a check at over 15 seconds. Give the judge one dog per cast to award "controlling the race" points to.