AKC rule change - May change Dog's Official Name

[Bev]

Willet had quite a few hounds. So many in fact he didn't have room to keep them all, so a good friend "north" of him kept many of them and worked them for him. Do I have history right? I wonder how many hounds left Willet's kennel without that registered name "Patch" on them. There's only one reason to register a kennel name -- protection. Protection against not using it when one should, and protection from someone using it when they shouldn't. I believe I stated as much in an earlier post.

If a hound caught his eye, he ask, what's the lineage on that little hound, not whats it's name. Names never meant what some wont to today, performance was the first order of priority at that time.
Some of these folks are just catching up to what's been going on for a very long time.

As a humble newbie, and a youngster of 52, I have never heard anyone in the field or myself say upon watching a remarkable dog run, "What's that magnificent dogs name!?" Nobody says that. If you've heard it Patch, then you run with a strange bunch. Everyone I know (including myself) says, "Whats'at dawg out of?" But, I can guarantee you if they are really interested, they will ask generation by generation back what each dog was out of until they hit a name they recognize.

I need to read up more on Willet Randall, most of what I hear is from old-time beaglers who knew him or had met him themselves in his later years. They tell a different story than many of us who are "catching up" through books, and sometimes they tell the same story. I did hear that back around 1900, Willet sold Forest Patch to his buddy Ralph Butts for $600 ( couldn't you like, buy a house for that back then? LOL) and maintained exclusive breeding rights on the dog. Jump in here on this one Harley. What would make a man sell a dog to a friend for what was probably a year's pay, then not allow him to breed the dog? "You can run him, feed him, kennel him, but you can't breed him?" We won't even talk about changing his name, lol.

Have a good time hare hunting, Patch!

[marr24]

Well I also see those out there with their chest all fluffed up "I RUN PATCH HOUNDS" ok so what is the difference?

Who doesn't "fluff their chest up" at least a little bit when talking about the line of hounds that they run? IMO, if they don't then they need to find a new line to run that will get them a little more excited LOL!!

Have a great time hare hunting Charles, wish we could make it up but work schedules won't allow it this time!

Back to topic, I really am not worked up over this new rule change but do believe that it is just another money maker for AKC. It isn't going to affect me but I can see the points of those who are against it.

[HarleyPA]

Bev, Now why did you have to go and bring my name up again.

I was content to leave it lay.


All I have to say about that is...

Money has a strong influence over some people.

As far as the rule goes. I like it. I think it protects a name you gave to a hound, fairly. You have to be asked for permission to change it, and if the dog was worth something, you can't change it anyway. It preserves the kennel name of dogs that deserve that name. I'm not the one who thought the rule was bad.

[HarleyPA]

Another thing,

If you want to change the dogs name just to get that kennel name off of it, before you did anything with that dog, I feel thats wrong. Your trying to take credit when it's not due. But, like I said earlier, whats the harm in changing a dogs name when it's proven through trail and test, that it's not going to make anything worthy of the name?

[oakhill]

Dang, I leave town for a few days to run hounds down south and look what happens.

Oh well, must have been good food for thought.

[Moore Beagles]

If you buy a Remington or Browning Shotgun do grind the name off of it When you buy a new truck do you remove the manufacturers trademark Do you scratch the logo off your Matthews Bow That would be like me saying Yeah today I shot a nice Buck with my MOORE'S ARCHERY BOW, and threw it in my MOORE'S 2500 HD pickup and drove it home. Talk about EGO, Yeah its all about me man! If you payed money for it, you apparently liked what you saw. Then why not give a little credit where credit is due. When you have a beagle that becomes a field champion, some credit naturally goes to the current owner, but the real credit should go to the breeders. If the dog don't have ability in his breeding, he's never gonna get it no matter what, Where, and How you feed him, train him, or run him. I've read it here many many times, then why snub the breeder who bears the fruit
When you buy a show beagle from Windkist, Lanbur, HoneyPot, or Buckridge you don't have to teach them to gate they already have it IT was bred into them from the breeders. Are you gonna say Yeah I taught him everything he knows, Thats why he won
Theres nothing wrong with a breeder being proud of what they are producing, and also taking advantage of some natural marketing, and breeder recognition.
When Jim and Connie Bucksot recenty sold me a Pup, I wanted to add thier Kennel name to my pups name, and give credit where credit is DUE

[S.R.Patch]

What would make a man sell a dog to a friend for what was probably a year's pay, then not allow him to breed the dog? "You can run him, feed him, kennel him, but you can't breed him?" We won't even talk about changing his name, lol.

I think Ralph could breed to Patch, the issue was, Randall could also breed all the bitches he wanted to Patch without refusal after the sale...

I did hear that back around 1900, Willet sold Forest Patch to his buddy Ralph Butts for $600 ( couldn't you like, buy a house for that back then? LOL) and maintained exclusive breeding rights on the dog. Jump in here on this one Harley. What would make a man sell a dog to a friend for what was probably a year's pay, then not allow him to breed the dog? "You can run him, feed him, kennel him, but you can't breed him?" We won't even talk about changing his name, lol.

Patch was the fountainhead of the Patch line, what would that hound be worth to the breeder of the line? $600.
Ralph had the time & money, he was a Big fan of the patches, remember his $1000. challenge?

Well, this post wsn't about the patches, so may all your puppies be worthy of whatever names they're christened ...

[Pine Mt Beagles]

AFTER READING ALL THIS I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT THE NAME THING IF SOME ONE IS CRAZY ENOUGH TO BUY A PINE MT HOUND BRED HERE IT WILL HAVE PINE MT IN FRONT OF IT AND THE BUYER WILL SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL NOT CHANGE THE NAME. THAT WAY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IF I SEE THE NAME IN A PED I WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS AND NOT HAVE TO RESEARCH IT,I DON'T PLAN TO SELL ANY SO NOT TO CONCERNED ABOUT IT, BUT HEY DIFFERENT STROKES FOR YOU KNOW TH STORY..

PINE MT BEAGLES

[oakhill]

IF you sell a hound that you bred and YOU have already named that hound, then the buyer or any buyer there after CAN NOT change the name without your written approval.

[wvduece]

a friend of mine baught a pup from another guy my friend named the pup after about a year or so i got the pup from my buddy can i change the pups name or will he have to ok it jb

[oakhill]

I am not sure but I think you can if the hound has not sired or whelped a litter or won or placed in a trial. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

[mtnwaykennel]

Most people know where a dog came from if the hound is good enough for you to wonder. I have discused this topic before with Dexter Reffett and his thoughts are the same as mine. A dog does not need your kennel name if the person that owns it is truthfull and willing to say this hound came from so and so. Our male hound Lamie's Streak and the other male MtnWay's Cosmic Journey both came from Dexter. I am the first to say he bred them. GIVE THE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE. name does not matter as much as honesty matters. Most people know where Buzzsaw was bred ... and it goes without saying,... just because he does not hold the Ky Mtn name does not mean that Dexter does not get a pat on the back. Lynn's hard work and time made the hound what he is... so I am sure his name on the hound is only fitting... but I am sure he has no problem handing down the breeding... he seems like a good feller. If I buy a pup off lynn perkins and he wanted his name on the hound .. then I would be more than happy to do so. It does not need my name for me to hunt it and love it the same as I would one with my name on it. If he did not care either way and I named it my own .. and someone ask about it or shows interest I would point out that Perkins was the breader in a heartbeat. If dexter wanted any hound in my kennel that came from him to hold his name I would be more than happy. I am not that kennel vain. If I sell you a pup ... name it what you want... if you want to put our kennel on it .. then ask .. if not then do what you want.

My ittle ol thoughts on the subject anyway.
Bill Woods

[Jane]

I'm CKC and we name the pups desired by the new owners. 9 times out of 10 they are sastified with the call name THEY put on it and are happy with suggestions from the breeder as well on the registered name .
I bought a Branko pup in 2006, I didn't have to put Krpan's kennel name on him but I did out of respect for their lineage. It wasn't something that they demanded either, so I was quite happy given the choice.
But on another issue, I registered a hound with my EX's last name at the front and really wish that I can change it but I can't.. stuck with it... so it works both ways really.

[tom summers]

Think about this AKC is looking a it from a $$$$ issue.
1. They get more money for the re-naming( it won'be free)
2. More people will now have to register thier kennel names so that it can't be changed.

This is nothing mre than a ploy from AKC to line thier pockets a little thicker. In a time when most peeople are tight with the budgets they look to other means to get the buck.

JMO