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Here is a pic of Old Slick
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Jimmy I remember that trial like it was yesterday dem big males rolled dat cottontai!! U guys brought some great big males down der I had a pleasure judging dem hounds!! Take care jimmy..

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Original question of "who is akc's top producing sire of all time?"

If going by # of FC's alone the answer is simple.

If using a formula to help determine amount of times bred or # of pups then the answer isn't so simple.

Darryl the reason I used # of litters is due to how many pups where killed, lost, stolen, wounded, etc. just because 8 pups in the litter was registered doesn't mean they all died of old age.

# of litters can be deceiving as well because there could be 10 in a litter as well as 1. 10 obviously giving some one the better opportunity to have a higher percentage if using # of litters.

I am starting to get back in & love seeing the big named dogs from up north closer to my area. Hope to bred to several of them but hard to pass on a dog you know performed well in your location or state.
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Darryl wrote:Here is a pic of Old Slick
Slick is a hard hitting big male dat dominates a pack of hound. He's has endless hunt and is as tough as nails!! He has doubled scored da second place hound many times. Slick has set da bar really high that I personally don't tink will.ever be beat. He's has 26 wins including winning da nats three times. Slicks last five appearance at da Canadian nats he has three wins and two seconds. He's da real deal men!! In my eyes he's da best dis sport has seen.. he is by far da best big male I ever seen or judged! He has won in every Providence in Canada and da USA. I will let ya all know when he's in my door yard.. don't miss da boat Men...

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Competent wrote:Jimmy I remember that trial like it was yesterday dem big males rolled dat cottontai!! U guys brought some great big males down der I had a pleasure judging dem hounds!! Take care jimmy..

Harry Jr.
I remember that trial like it was last night, Your dad was a great man to talk too. One things for sure you boys got them Monster running pens and Hare to boot. We have to pick and Choose our fights up your way. I listen to you boys talk about alot of dogs i am un- familiar with they sure seem to win alot though. Btw if i was wanting to bring my 15" Fc bitch to the baddest male around what is you guys suggestion? I dont like 13" i am all about 15" and dont mind a road trip.
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I dont know this Slick dog too well just getting into field trials but that many wins is impressive...but if he is that good, why isnt he an IFC? He should have been campaigned down here so we can see him. I'd love to see him go!

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Like to see a Pedigree myself.
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i don't know about this north vr's south. what I do know is. all the hardest hitting,fastes. hounds have came from up north. I would like for u KY boys to catch me when the snow melts. we can do it on hare or cotton tail. cause that time of the year the buck rabbits are running like hair. but that's a north vr's south thing :nod:


here my oppion on breeding. I am not paying $300 to breed, fuel cost and time for it not to take. also I don't need to breed to the latest fade. I have wait I need all around me, a lot of that stuff u southern boys like to run. I don't care about trials, I am in this and have ben for 35 years because of the hounds. a lot of stud owners are trying to make a living breeding a hound because they either bought that hound for X amount or are trying to make there house payments studding.


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I heard Reggie bred 48 females last week alone 15 fc bitches 8 grands 20 just plain ol rabbit dogs 4 poodles and one great dane and that guy was just wanting to put a lil size in his dogs.
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Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. wrote:Like to see a Pedigree myself.

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Chimney Rock Kennel wrote:I heard Reggie bred 48 females last week alone 15 fc bitches 8 grands 20 just plain ol rabbit dogs 4 poodles and one great dane and that guy was just wanting to put a lil size in his dogs.
darn dogs almost as popular as me, If any of those Great Dane pups are bluetick give me a shout---Thanks

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I have no idea who the top producing A.K.C. sire of all time is.Never was really interested in knowing.
I would suspect though that it is a S.P.O. cottontail dog from "back in the day" as that format is and has been the most popular with trialers for many years and encompasses a much larger geographical area of our country.
I think it would be much more helpfull to those seeking serious breeding info. about studs and their reproducing power to seperate this inquirey into the trialing formats or style of hound you are interested in keeping.
I myself am interested in the hounds from A.K.C. Large Pack,Canadian Large Pack and Mid-West S.P.O. and the studs that have proven their reproducing power in that type of hound.
I have no real interest in the type of hound that has excelled in say the U.B.G.F,Deep South,North East Beagle Gundog Federation,etc.Just not my type of hound at all.
A VERY FEW and I mean a VERY FEW studs are pre-potent for their outstanding traits and seem to produce top pups who ever they are bred to.Some studs produce extremely well when bred within their family line [linebreeding ] but not as well outside of it.Others seem to produce well when bred to a certain line of females as Jack Blum of Ontario found out when he started crossing Shaker to Ninja females.And still,there are numerous cases of top performing studs that have never produced anything as good as they were!
An interesting statistic that an old houndsmen told me years ago and I believe it is still true to this day......That NO Kentucky Derby winner has EVER produced a Kentucky Derby winner! And that is after he has had the absolute top mares in the world brought to him ! Breeding is not a science.It's part research,lots of time in the woods,lots of time learning and knowing about your dogs,resisting kennel blindness,culling and a whole lot of luck.
Rather then focus on a stud I've had better luck focusing on the "family" of hounds.When a hound comes from a reproducing family that is solid top and bottom you'll stand a much better chance of getting a real good one.
I.F.C. Maravic's Blue Ninja has gotten some attention here so I want to give him a quick mention.Not only was Ninja a top performer but he has proven to be a top reproducer also. As was his sire Branko's Jack of all Trades,his grandsire Able's East Coast Trimmer and Ninja's littermate sisters and National Large Pack Champions Mimi and Missy.
Her we are 18 years after Ninja's death and you still see him occuring in the pedigrees of some of today's top hounds.His influence would appear to be transmitted to following generations.A mark of a reproducer.
Just for the record.I've had two females from Reggie and well bred females and one from his littermate brother Turbo Charged Thunder Blue and a nice female and they have made the type of rabbit dog I'm proud to take anywhere and run.Just saying..............................
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Does that slick dog have a sterring wheel? Seems like he should based off his pedigree. Ive heard a lot of stories that dogs that win up north can run a hare well but are just fast and never shut up, fill in the gaps with mouth till they hit the track again then roll on....the whole time the packs strung out wondering what the hells goin on. Wouldnt mind tryin somethin outcrossed from up that way but I dont want any extra mouth over the end and they have to be able to turn...... I gotta still run cottontails around here.
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My two hare hounds run cotton tail just fine ! :D
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