Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Ron Conroe wrote:cmon eddy, you can't be a fair weather hunter, you got to get out there when u can. 1 degree wind chills 18 below we will be running at 9 o'clock. oh i forgot rabbits hole up when it gets below 5 degrees so maybe i will just set in the house and watch tv. :roll:

went from 50 degrees to single digits with 20mph winds in 2 days...any hunter knows big weather fronts slow down game movement.....don't be such a bitter guy Ron. have fun running you're dogs. Hope you don't freeze to death waiting on that cold track to warm up. My phone number is listed in my signature. give me a call instead of picking a bone on the internet.
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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just picking at you kelly, now don't be a hater.

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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saw some dogs last fall on bare ground- ran great for two days -- on the third day , a little cooler . lot of frost .
one was said to cold trail --always opened first , a second dog was barking more than the rest of the pack - some other dogs definately not barking unless its red hot - saw the hare go by and dogs following ,,a few times -----only the "cold trailer " was barking much -- second dog , here and there - after quite some time of this they all opened and the race was on --- guys said they are jumped now-- i thought they were jumped the first time i saw hare run by - :D
sometimes ,,, dogs said to only open when hare is jumped may not open then - :(

when a dog is only seconds behind a hare thats running i think it jumped even if half the pack doesnt think so





on a tough day -

i need that " cold trailer" to move the hare so a more average dog can run it -

over the years ive seen a lot of dogs accused of being cold trailers because they were the only dogs barking --
if hare is moving ,, its not cold trailing -


i have had several dogs that were too happy to cold trail -- too mouthy --brainless , etc etc- have seen dogs that were great when young get to be a real pain in old age ,, but a LOT more dogs that just dont have nose enough - my biggest problem is finding dogs that have nose enuff to run at all- the average beagle ive seen doesnt have enough nose to be useful hunting hare in hunting season here ----lot of them can run ok one day out of ten -

anybody has a real big nose dog they just cant stand , just send him to me - :D










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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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I agree with Ron on a few points one being that you gotta get out when you can. You gotta throw caution to the wind if its a little to cold or a little to windy. I have taken my Benz dog out this year in some cold and sharp windy days and let me tell you this 17 month old male found rabbits. In all these days that I went out the average temp was probably 11 degrees. The rabbits were out tucked in some grass out off the wind but they were out. Do I believe he has a big nose, yes. Has he opened up early, no he hasn't not from I saw. When he opens up pull back the hammer it's on!!!

This past summer during the drought, I saw this same dog walk out a line next to a bean field. He was barking every step but was moving slow, when he moved off the line he shut up. He ran this rabbit like this until the rabbit went into a brush pile. Gears and big nose.

Two weeks ago, I was rabbit hunting. This dog was pushing a rabbit real hard and it came out of a honey suckle and took across the cut corn. Mind you it was 18 degrees and 25 mph winds. This dog had a few breakdowns but he ran it well, circled it pretty quick and came back to the gun, but I missed.


He has a big nose and knows when to bark or not.
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Alabama John wrote:Well written and wise Bunnyblaster.'

It snowed here for one day and my dogs never left the dog house or my truck the garage. All schools closed too.
We would be lost in weather you take in stride. One advantage we have is rabbits that swim to their hiding place give off scent as they are wet.
Wish we could run sometime. I know I would be impressed with your dogs.
Enjoy the rest of the hunting season and good luck!!!

I don't know about impressed!! Every time I brag on them a little they prove me wrong the very next time out!! :lol:

I would run with you anytime just to get a chance to chase some swampers and talk dogs. :nod:

Lone Pine Beagles wrote:Gears and Nose:

Without gears a big nose is of little use.

Ran hare with Bigwoods on Saturday.
Warmer (30 degrees) old snow, but very poor scenting.
Scent went deep into the moist snow.
The dogs geared down and circled for hours, covering 13 miles.
Good steady pressure.

Ran cottontail with Conroe on Monday.
Colder than all get out. (Windchill near zero) Very windy!
Again the dogs had to gear down with big nose to put pressure on mr. rabbit.
Dogs covered 9 miles and circled several times.
They sped up when they could, and walked it out when they had to.
Again, good consistent pressure.

I think "brains" can be associated with "gears"... without gears we'd be looking for excuses!

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You guys went out in that crap?!?! I'm not even that desperate!!!! :lol: ;)
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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cmon bunny we have been out in worse weather than that.but that might be because we are not all there......lol

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Ron Conroe wrote:cmon bunny we have been out in worse weather than that.but that might be because we are not all there......lol

Yea I remember being at palo with whippin winds and the snow so deep I could barely take a step. I seem to remember you commenting on our lack of intelligence that day too!!! :lol:
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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I don't know squatt about rabbit hunting as I thought anytime the rabbit was out of it's hole they were up! As for squatts I never knew how long that dang thing had been squatting there before it was running from man or beast but what I do know is it must have been up outta bed from it's dwelling! :biggrin:

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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I feel kind of sorry for you guys that have to go out hunting in those TERRIBLE conditions.I really do!I grew up in New England and lived and hunted the northern half of it for many years.Yup,hunted when it was below zero.Yup,hunted when the trees were draped in heavy snow and every other step it was falling down the neck of my hunting coat and you could barely hear a hound running a 100 yards away the woods were so muffled.Ran when it was so cold I couldn't push the safety off as my fingers were frozen.Have trekked miles after the dogs in deep -soft snow where the snowshoes wouldn't hold you up or let you fall through into the fir balsam or ground juniper under the snow and you're waist deep and your shoes are all tangled up somewhere underneath you.Have led beagles out of the woods and all the while they keep stepping on the back of my snowshoes and you want to scream as your back is tight as a knot from humping through the back country all day on a pair of tennis rackets.One time fell trough the ice near a beaver lodge and by the timeI got back to the truck I was literally frozen solid from the waist down and couldn't get my keys out of my pants pocket to get in my truck.Thank God for the snowmobilers that came along to help.
YUP! Most definetly need a big nosed dog to regularly run in those conditions sucessfully.Also need to be a REALLY tough guy!Sheesh,I do this dog thing for fun and those conditions were real but they weren't neccessarily real fun.
A lot of the above scenarios are the reasons I moved out of the frozen north to Tennessee 18 years ago.Now in my early 60's I can run year round,PICK the days I want to go [yup,a fair weather hunter ] and a hard hunting,line running check dog with brains and a medium nose work just fine here.
I thought about running today but we're having a cold spell and it's only 24 degrees and I would have had to wear gloves so I stayed in and played around on this computer instead.LOL.
P.S. Talked with my buddy in Arroostock County Maine today and they are getting a blizzard with temps. and wind chill way below zero.He wasn't hunting today either.And he's got some snow hounds.
Heck,I'm such a wimp these days when I go up to hunt with him it's in October.LOL.
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Some interesting posts here. Snowshoehareguide touched on a few points that I'm sure unless you've hunted in real tough conditions you just would not understand.
One thing that seems to pop up repeatedly is the general distain for cold tracking & such. Truth is that if you are out hunting in those tough conditions consistently, you're not gonna get any cold tracking, even if you have dogs with some real nose power.
Personally, if one of my pack strikes, 90% of the time the hare has been jumped, I don't get cold tracking much at all.
Now in real tough going, what will sound like a dog working a cold track is in fact a hot track (jumped hare) that is going cold because the conditions are so crappy. If you don't hunt in tough conditions but once a year...... you probably won't know the difference and will blame the dog for calling on an old track. Of course that would only apply if the dog in question has some nose power to start with. If not then it's usually a quiet day in the woods listening to the birds chirp and not much else on the real tough days.

As for brains......well... I'm with Jim Matuszweski. I want a dog that can smell the hare. The only time I worry about brains is in ideal conditions which just don't seem to come around enough here for it to be an issue. Even if the better scenting days came around more often... I don't imagine a dog calling on old tracks would be at the top of my list for things I won't stand for.
I'd be more concerned with dogs that re-run old lines, as this seems to be more of a problem for hounds with serious nose power, on snowshoe hare anyway.
The hare has this nasty habit of re-running the same trench or line over and over and over, and I've never seen any evidence to suggest that dogs that can consistently stay on a hare in crap conditions while the hare does this can tell the difference between that and the faint scent of an old track with no hare at the end of it in ideal conditions.
The best way to avoid this is of course to shoot the hare on his first loop or don't run on those tough days ;)

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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After reading some of the comments about the Northeast I KNOW I wouldn't do well there whether my dogs would or not! It got down to 9 degrees here last night & I hated it! I do often run in the summer here though! Between the temperature, humidity, golden rod, pollen, etc I have to have the nose power! I enjoy coaching my son in basketball & being from KY that's his favorite of his 4 sports! I just don't get that much time to hunt during hunting season! We enjoy being together & most of our running is done spur of the moment! Just can't imagine the look on his face if I said anything but let's go dude! Blake is now 10 years old & I am almost 34! Lost my dad when he was 36! Enjoy your family & friends & support your fellow beagler! We are all in it for the enjoyment!

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Fair weather eddy is in the chair with a blanket wrapped around my legs I could care less if one of my dogs can smell and run a rabbit right now .GET SOME :shock:
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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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Sorry gotta agree with Eddy !

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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and you guys call yourself rabbit hunters................ha

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Re: Too much nose or not enough brains?

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I just turned 62 two weeks ago and have been following hounds on cottontails,hare, swampers,bear,bobcat,fisher cat,squirrels,coon,coyotes and fox [ and yes deer too! LOL ] for the past 50 years.
Used to be I would hunt in ANY conditions and I do mean ANY.
Now I often recall what my old running buddy who was 20 years older than me used to say "It's one thing to get caught out in it,it's another to get up off the couch and go out in it".
Don't have much of a nose but got lots more brains than I used to have.
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