Half Brother/Sister Cross??

[mybeagles]

You would be hard pressed to find a hound that wasn't bred by Branko in their 4 generation peds. Everyone knows they sell a lot of hounds each year. Go to the for sale boards and count how many of his hounds are for resale. You never see very many

First let me clarify that I don't have anything against Branko bred dogs as your statement seems to suggest. Secondly, I have recently reviewed several of the Branko pedigree's and I don't see much INBREEDING, there is plenty of linebreeding but most of the time its not real tight. He has possibly the largest beagle kennel in the world. Just because they are all branko hounds doesn't mean he is inbreeding which is the topic here! I never thought there was a shortage of Branko hounds for sale

You have stated that you have gone through hundreds of outcrossed pups over the years????? You don't make much sense

Not sure where your going with this comment, but it doesn't make much sense or seem to have anything to do with the post. Just for your info, I would go through lots of pups wether I was outcrossing, linebreeding, or inbreeding because thats what I enjoy doing. I have given away or sold for a reasonable price many young dogs and you will never hear a complaint on here because if the buyer is ever unsatisified I make it right.

Not sure why it bothers you so much that I have "gone through hundreds of outcrossed pups over the years"......does is bother you that Branko has gone through thousands, and maybe ten's of thousands. It sure don't bother me........get a life, and you wont have to worry about how many pups I've gone through!

Mybeagles

[BCBeagles]

I 'll be honest, IMO, I don't think a half brother/sister is inbreeding? I think it is very tight linebreeding. IMO, and that only, as this is what we are discussing the inbred crosses are father/daughter, son/mother, full brother/sister. JMO. There is no variance in the genetic pool there. These two dogs have an uncommon link each to put in the "line", hence linebreeding. Again, JMO.

[Newt]

Anybody see Deliverence?

Why is it against the law to marry too close?

John, Deliverance indicates that if you inbreed idiots, expect idiots. Severe culling was in order. Since culling isn't an option with humans....

[Alabama John]

Newt,

They were breeding for one purpose, banjo playing! They were successful.

That's what happens in any breeding program when you lose sight of the whole goal and only concentrate on one trait!

There is a lesson in there somewhere.

[mybeagles]

Alabama John,

I was told down south they started a human linebreeding program but it didn't work out very well. Can you shed any light on that?

For you evolutionists, do you realize if there was no outcrossing we would all still be monkeys?

Mybeagles

[Alabama John]

No comment!

[BCBeagles]

We all started with Adam and Eve as far as that goes. That is a whole other argument in itself.

If you outcross at all points at what point do the triaits you desire become so watered down that it is a shot in the dark to get them??

Cross a patch hound with a branko hound. You have lost half of the Patch characteristics and half of the branko as well. Can anyone qualify any statistic
as to what percentage would be big ole white dogs about 16 inches tall and some be 13 inch tricolors?? Let alone all the other triats of each line!!!

When we compare human mating characteristics we may be reaching too much. Like said, you breed an idiot and increase your chances of an idiot. You breed similar lines and you much increase chances of there traits. The taboo of inbreeding in humans has kept us with a moral compass from udertaking in that. Would we have "superior" line of humans??

Why is it in the days of the biblical records some folks lived to be hundreds of years and not uncommonly into there hundreds?? I am quite certain that there were alot less people at that time and less of a genetic mix within the gene pool?? Just makes you think, is there a reason the strong where stronger then??? Take out the facts of some dying b/c of lack of preventative measures.

Wow all that was a reach!!

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

actually color is the easiest thing to determine a simple pundit square will tell you that... I teach them to my 8th graders and they understand it pretty well...

secondly, inbreeding applies to EVERY species who have two different gene sets to make up an organism.. In humans its so pronounced because only the uneducated and typical deformed and outcasts of society do it... There are literally billions of out-crosses for humans so no real need to inbreed...and the litter is to small to get a meaningful difference in any type of human breeding program so its a mute point.


You are ALWAYA ALWAYS ALWAYS going to amplify genes when you line/inbreed... good and bad--- Plus the exra .05 percent of "genetic Mistakes" that occur when encoding dna stands when sperm meets egg for any chromosomal organism..


good or bad, Idk, but those are the facts..

[mybeagles]

If you outcross at all points at what point do the triaits you desire become so watered down that it is a shot in the dark to get them??

I think its inaccurate to think if you outcross to excellent hounds that share the desired traits that your after that they cant line up and somehow your loosing the trait. Your still breeding beagles which share very similar DNA. When you outcross your doubling up on similar shared traites as well, just not as likely to double up the recessive faults, but still possible.

Why is it in the days of the biblical records some folks lived to be hundreds of years and not uncommonly into there hundreds?? I am quite certain that there were alot less people at that time and less of a genetic mix within the gene pool?? Just makes you think, is there a reason the strong where stronger then??? Take out the facts of some dying b/c of lack of preventative measures.

Its called SIN.....in the day you eat of the tree, ye shall surely die. Sin causes death.....man is destroying what was created. Things are getting worse not better which maked evolution proposterous. Adam and Eve would have lived forever had they not sinned.

After Adam and Eve, God was fulfilling him covenant with Abraham and populating the earth. Soon after the flood, living 100's of years stops.

Mybeagles

[BCBeagles]

Mybeagles,

Your points are valid and you just like to argue as well do I! Keep fighting for our freedoms over there where you are so we can argue this until the day we die!!! Talk at you later.

[eddywilliams]

Jim I dont know what the rest of your dogs do but I do know Jazz ,you should be centering her around your program in my OPINION of course

[BCBeagles]

We have a plan for her. She ain't leaving. She is a nice dog!

[BCBeagles]

My good buddy, Roger Ooten has a big male off of Shooter that will have a date with Jazz later on!!

[Lone Pine Beagles]

We started out talking about half brother x half sister crosses then it went to inbreeding, Hillbillys, Adam and Eve, and who knows what else. This is why i love this website!

I just happened to be looking through the March Better Beagling magazine.
FC Branko's Smart Sammy on pg. 11
An excellent example of line breeding.

Side note: Branko's Double Ann is the result of Branko's Conman bred back to his daughter.
Double Ann produced Ali-baba.

Also: Branko's Magic Dutchess...both of her parents are out of Branko's Double Ann.
Dutchess produced Proper Baron.

Breed the best to the best... whether its outcrossed, line bred, or inbred. Selection is key!

LPB

[eddywilliams]