Dog Dies in Iditarod Trail Sled Race

[Jr Walker]

Well i dont agree that anyone is making anyone do anything in a sport.....but Shannon i do have to say good job on catching those people and proveing it clear as day by the way u said it so i will go ahead and say good job on that one And like Emery said u have ur own view but this really isnt the place to voice it

[Bev]

And like Emery said u have ur own view but this really isnt the place to voice it.

Agreed, and frankly, I'm disappointed that for as long as we have been friends, Shannon & Randy, that either of you would put me in the spotlight with the anti's by using this board to bitch about something nobody here had a part in. You think so little of me? I defended you through that crap with ARHA. I alienated others in the process. I sold you one of your first hunting beagles...hell, I sold you GALE. When she left here, she was a gorgeous, fit, hunting beagle with her Little Pack Rabbit Champion and Bench Champion title, and needed very little to go Grand. She had gone as far as she could in LP and you were campaining dogs in PP, and I felt she stood a good chance at finishing in both formats, -- doing her breeding and Swing's hard groundwork (from whom I bought her) proud. A year later, you had made her a fatass from feeding her biscuits and gravy, (I didn't even recognize her from her pictures) and now you're painting her friggin' toenails. I hate to break it to you Shannon, but Gale may love you (as dogs will do), but she is of SOLID Weircreek breeding, and would rather be rolling in a dead animal carcass, (she couldn't pass one up), picking up checks behind faultier dogs, and hearing the sound of a shotgun until the day she can't put one foot in front of the other.

If you feel I've done you an injustice by this post, then consider us even.

[Larry G]

Yeah, and not to mention she said the judges were crooked, and we all know better than that!

[Bev]

What's your point, Larry? That it's okay to sell out an old friend to the anti's because some judges cheated way back when? 400 trophies later she decides trialing is not for her, so pee on all of us? Either I'm missing your point, or you're missing mine.

...oh, I almost forgot...

[Larry G]

You're getting good at that. My point is she has a right to speak her mind as long as she does it within the guidelines of this board, which are quite liberal if not too well defined. I don't agree with all she says, but if she has become disenchanted with the field trial sport and other dog competitions let her say so and tell why. She bought the dog from you with no encumbrances, right? Then she can pet it and overfeed it or whatever.

If you want to see fuel for the anti's, look at the video posted on here of the hounds on the crippled coyote. That was a lot more inflammatory than some woman whining about a sled dog dying.

[Bev]

I can't argue with that. I haven't seen that thread -- I only saw this one because it was pointed out to me. I will check out the other thread and most likely delete both. I just wanted this up long enough for them to know how I felt about it.

Yes, she was purchased with no encumberances. At the same time, she was sold to them with the understanding that she would be campaigned and finished out in another format. She was talented enough, she would have been a great dog to better the breed (which is the whole point, right?) so I can't help but be disappointed that the original plan was trashed. That was YEARS ago. I've never said anything about it because 1.) Gale's not my dog anymore, and 2.) I try not to disrespect my friends. I said something about it now because it needs to be said.

Yes, she can pet it overfeed it, whatever. My point was that she is being hypocritical by calling the dog-sledders cruel to their animals for allowing them to do what they're bred for and jeopardizing their health, when she is equally cruel in my opinion for not letting her dogs do what they were bred for, and jeopardizing their health as well. It's not healthy for a 13 inch beagle to be weighing 40+ pounds and not have any exercise. Fine, if she wants to do that, but don't criticize others. Believe me, they've buried enough dogs in their own kennel (from this that or the other, as we all have) for her to be judgmental of others.

[Tim H]

A sled dog died from pneumonia. How many other dogs have died from the same thing? I guess if it's a working dog then it's cruel but if it's a house dog then it's just unfortunate.

If a house dog dies in a house fire should we talk about the cruelty of keeping them in the house. Had they not been kept in the house they never would have died, it's the houses fault. We should ban houses. I've had people cheat at card games in my house, even though I've won hundreds of dollars and even had some people cheat for me, I've seen the wrong in it and called out the other cheaters. Now they banned me from playing cards with them. Can't you see the trouble houses cause?

[harvhounds]

I belive that the settlers of the far north were taught to use sled dogs by the natives up there.Sleds dogs love to pull a sled,beagles love to hunt.Dogs and humans have depended on each other to servive since the beginning of time. They honor this by running the Iditarod,we by running and hunting our beagles.

[Bev]

A sled dog died from pneumonia. How many other dogs have died from the same thing? I guess if it's a working dog then it's cruel but if it's a house dog then it's just unfortunate.

If a house dog dies in a house fire should we talk about the cruelty of keeping them in the house. Had they not been kept in the house they never would have died, it's the houses fault. We should ban houses. I've had people cheat at card games in my house, even though I've won hundreds of dollars and even had some people cheat for me, I've seen the wrong in it and called out the other cheaters. Now they banned me from playing cards with them. Can't you see the trouble houses cause?

Thank heavens somebody gets it.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

If you want to see fuel for the anti's, look at the video posted on here of the hounds on the crippled coyote. That was a lot more inflammatory than some woman whining about a sled dog dying.

Since when do we give a rats ass about what the antis think? I wouldn't delete the thread Bev. If it was up to me every yote would be slaughtered or moved back out west. I admire the guys killing these predators and doing it with dogs is even better!

[Larry G]

2 things going on here, first, what is and is not cruel to animals? My feeling is distance racing for dogs or horses is not because they are usually policed by vets who do TPR checks and so forth. Fine young men die in hot weather football practice. That does not make football unworthy IMHO.

2nd is dishonesty in beagle trialing. I think that played a part in reducing the old brace boys to a joke. It became an old boys network. Same thing is happening in gundog.

Bev I did not know she promised to trial your dog and reneged. I don't pay too much attention to promises anymore, they are a dime a dozen.

[WrongsideRandy]

Bev.....you really should have a backbone! You are no different then the other cowards I guess. You want your "story" told, but dont want to hear the truth. Thats ok...I dont blame you

[WrongsideRandy]

Yes, she was purchased with no encumberances. At the same time, she was sold to them with the understanding that she would be campaigned and finished out in another format. She was talented enough, she would have been a great dog to better the breed (which is the whole point, right?) so I can't help but be disappointed that the original plan was trashed. That was YEARS ago. I've never said anything about it because 1.) Gale's not my dog anymore, and 2.) I try not to disrespect my friends. I said something about it now because it needs to be said.

Bev.you should be ashamed! For 1 there was never a "plan" that I am aware of..........and if you had the same "plan" for Gale, that you did for Dustie 'when you sold my "green" behind on that Gunsmoke breeding' of yours......then I am glad the plan got trashed!!

AND BEV.............SHE WAS CAMPAIGNED IN PP AND BECAME A PP CHAMPION.........WHAT IS YOUR POINT??? Was the "plan" to breed her another 10 times with a dog of your picking???????

HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO BREED A BITCH BEFORE YOU DECIDE SHE CANT REPRODUCE???

Randy

[Bev]

It wasn't a promise, Larry. It was an understanding. They took her to some trials right off the bat and she did indeed go Grand on the bench (while she still had decent conformation) but I don't know about the field. All I know is that a year later the dog was unrecognizable because of the weight put on her. That's fine, it's her dog to do as she pleases. I was just disappointed although I never voiced it.

Pike Ridge, you are right. I will let the threads stand. When I published TAB I never bent to the fear of anti's. I had one National dog food advertiser who came on board in the beginning, and expressed through a representative that they would prefer I didn't show dead animals on the cover, but that it wouldn't keep them from advertising. I appreciated the support, but my answer to that was this:









I eventually lost that advertiser. I picked up the phone, made one call, and had their space sold in 5 minutes. The second advertiser stayed with me until I sold the mag, and they still hold the back cover of The American Beagler to this day. They are to be commended and supported by our dollars. All suppliers/feed companies who will advertise without fear or bias against our sport should be patronized.

As a point of note, the editor of another beagling magazine told me one time that they will never put a picture of a dead rabbit on their covers - never have and never will, for fear of drawing attention to the anti's.

So I guess this makes my ire at the Wrongsides misplaced, but it still ticks me off that she intentionally used this hunting board to spout her anti views and criticize other dog owners. We are supposed to look out for each other, lest we all lose our rights to own dogs at all. Danville has a 3-dog limit. It wasn't long before a privacy fence went up around a certain household, so I cringe when I hear talk about "cheating" and "breaking rules." I never understood people's entitlement to grade sin, and then judge others accordingly.

[Bev]

'when you sold my "green" behind on that Gunsmoke breeding' of yours

Are we talking about the Gunsmoke/Little Man bred dog that I gunned rabbits over at age 7 months? The same one you quickly bred to a female of your own choosing and kept 2 pups...and named one after him? I wanna make sure we're talking about the same dog, because I don't recall you ever coming to me about being unhappy with him. If you think I was insensitive to your "green behinds" then I apologize for taking those midnight calls from Shannon and talking for hours on end when she had a health issue on a dog or was trying to keep a litter of pups alive. I apologize for my little part in getting you into the sport to begin with, and because you were running that junk of MC's when I met you and you needed rabbit dogs that would hunt, knew when to shut up, and what direction they were supposed to be going. Your "green behinds" were taken before I came along.

Congratulations on Gale's achievements. I suppose she deserves biscuits and gravy and a life of toenail painting at this point. Who did you breed her to so many times to determine she wasn't a reproducer? I'd be interested in knowing who the males were.