not an anti-shooter, but

[lebro]

i apolagize for not being good on this computer i must have miss quoted someone about anti hunter. to me its like a ball game are you in the stands watching or are yuou playing? when i name my team it includes the dogs we go aginst the rabbits. in the last two years i have been hunting without a kid two times. i deont kill all i can but strive for my team to kill any rabbit the dogs can bring to the gun. happy hunting or watching whichever you enjoy

[bucks better beagles]

Mud: You have achieved enlightenment. The higher plane of appreciation that it takes many years to reach.

Dog: "Anti-hunter" is a label meant to degrade. I don't think anyone on this board is an anti-hunter. Like any negative label, it is offensive and unnecessary and I accept your apology in the spirit is which it was given.

[rbinford1]

I was,nt attacking Joeyman,I was making a statement about what i do .. never met the guy ,watched alot of his vidios looks like he might have some nice dogs ..rbinford1

[briarhopper]

i killed 3 today but saw 6 , including the one i missed. Tomarow im goin to a spot i dont even bring a gun. So i guess im tryin to say i like both points. I run all year and just love to hear a good race. a good kill on a wise runnin rabbit is icing on the cake. fill them game bags and be safe..

[mybeagles]

Nobody ever means to attack Joeyman, but every year when he starts puting photo's of his hunts on here someone brings up the topic......Im sure a mere coincidence......

I like to attack Joeyman, but not for killing too many rabbits.....he graciously puts up with my crap......

Mybeagles

[Salzer mtn]

I don't really have to worry about killing to many rabbit's because most of the time i can't hit the broadside of a barn door. What i worry about is at the end of the hunt the dogs stair up at me and then down on the ground at all the empty shells with a discusting look that say's we did our part why can't you do yours.

[Bunnyblaster]

I don't really have to worry about killing to many rabbit's because most of the time i can't hit the broadside of a barn door. What i worry about is at the end of the hunt is the dogs stair up at me and then down on the ground at all the empty shells with a discusting look that say's we did our part why can't you do yours.

Same here sal...........my aim is terrible!!


I'll spout off one more time I guess..................

Mybeagles is right, every year even if his name isn't said it always gets brought up when Joey starts posting pics and stories about his outings. I say leave it alone but it's a free country, for now anyway, so if you feel the need to speak your peace about killing some rabbits then go ahead. But know that I and many others will be right there to defend any hunters right to legally shoot game just like I'll defend your right to spout off about it........and if you don't wanna look or hear about it then don't look at the posts.

And for those of you that think there should be a separate section for us "hunters" I say why don't you either go make your own section, not look at the threads on here that you don't care for or just not look here at all. It may sound a little harsh but the guys that post this stuff are breaking no rules and this forum is supposed to include "hunting" related matter so if you may be offended by any of it then I would rather you look elsewhere instead of doing like so many others today and expect everyone else to accommodate the wishes of the few. Again, if you don't like it then don't look but don't trample on the rights of those of us that do enjoy the hunting threads and pics. We could discuss examples of oh say not saying Merry Christmas or saying the Pledge of Allegiance but we probably shouldn't go down that road I suppose either.

Bottom line for me is I would be 1 of the first ones jumping on a guy for not utilizing his kill regardless of what it is. And that applies to people who are always throwing away and/or wasting food they buy too........I just don't get it. To me it doesn't matter whether you pulled the trigger or swiped your debit card, wasteful is wasteful and unnecessary. I will defend the right to hunt within the guidelines of the law and would maybe question someone over harvesting an area that maybe doesn't have a good sustainable population to begin with but again as long as they are breaking no laws then so be it I guess. I will also defend the guys that either don't hunt or don't do much hunting. For those of you that don't you don't have or see much of a reason to do it but to act like you are somehow better or on a higher level than those of us that do is just being ignorant. I don't live in your shoes nor you in mine so don't tell me or anyone else how to live or act, that's between me and my conscience.

Take it or leave it, agree or disagree this is just my opinion..........same as you guys giving yours. I just don't see the sense in having the same argument over and over and over and over and over and over again every year. We know where you stand so leave it alone.

Jerwane like I said before, don't quit posting. I've seen the simplest threads and/or questions get a little out of hand on here many times. If you post it will happen but this board would get awful boring if everyone just quit posting for fear of offending someone else or starting a heated discussion.

JMO

[Buckeye Blues]

You know its true. This topic olny comes up after koey posts pics and video of a successful hunt. So why beat around the bush?

You act like joey killed all 29 rabbits. You do realize he opens the outdoors up to his friends and to kids as well. Promoting our great sport. Making sportsman and hunters out of those kids. Hopefully keeping them out of mischief.

You want a separate section for people who kill limits or stack tailgates to post? Why so you can hop on over and continue to chastize? You know if you see a thread posted by joey that says something like "12-6-11 Great Hunt" or something to that effect that there is going to be pics and videos. So don't look! There is know need to push us off into a corner you are gonna exploit anyways.

I will reitterate what has been said over and over. I have spots I just run the dogs because there are not that many rabbits to shoot. I run these spots during the off season if i cant get to the club. Durring the season I like to hunt spots that Mother Nature provides a few rabbits to shoot. Hunt the huntable spots. Run the sparsely populated spots. It's a no brainer. If you don't have any huntable populations accessable then don't berate those that do. Maybe you should try to improve the habitat you do have. Throw mineral blocks out. Provide cover. Stuff like that.

If, like some of you have stated you are one step above us on the hunter's evolutionary time table, its great that you are above shooting game. Just don't comment on how we haven't ascended to your level of deity. You dont see us starting a topic entitled: "If you aren't going to use the hounds for the purpose they were brought to this country, then why own them?" No, you don't see that because we just plain dont care. So as long as people are following their game laws why should you should you even feel the need to comment.

[Buckeye Blues]

Judas preist blaster we were writing almost the exact same thing at the exact same time. scarey huh?

[RunninHard]

Amen Bunny blaster !!!!!

[warddog]

Again, I'm going to state that the original poster merely asked a question about what others thought and NEVER mentioned any names or singled out any hunter. That was done by mybeagles in the fifth post so he is the one that brought this thread to a personal level. I have made my beliefs known and I have cited what the DNR's beliefs are which are the same I must add. Jerwane must have came to the realization that the DNR's belief is more to his thinking at this time. I enjoy watching the kills and the videos and I have never said that I disliked any of them nor do I believe that what anyone does within the confines of the game laws is offensive. I just don't see the need to kill more game than one can personally eat, time after time. I'll also say that a tail gate full of dead rabbits don't impress me much but what does impress me is when I can watch the good hound action and the kill as a result of it. I watch a video on another board that Oakhill posted in which not a single shot was fired and I enjoyed watching that just as much as any other one that eventually ends for the day with the end of many rabbit tracks for someone to run tomorrow. Not critisizing it as it appears to be IAW the game laws unless as Duke pointed out there was an issue of the possession limit in that state.
Here in Indiana our deer season has been running for gun and now muzzle loaders for nearly a month now. A hunter can legally kill 1 buck and numerous does depending on the county one hunts which has been this way for several years. The county I live and own property in has an anterless limit of 4, the county adjacent to mine in which I belong to a hunting lease has a limit of 3, there are three countys adjacent to these countys that we can hunt with limits of 8, 4 and three. That makes the limit that one single hunter could legally kill at 23 deer but guess what, I've never seen a need to kill more than two nor have I witnessed a picture of a truck load of 23 of them although someone could do so. I bet if they did there would be numerous outcries even though no game laws would have ben broken.
That's my opinion whether you like it or not. I served my time to be able to voice an opinion and anti killing everything because you legally can is a far cry from anti-shooter/hunter, it's actually called a conservationist.

[Bunnyblaster]

Warddog, you are correct and I have yet to see where any comment was made that said a straight up meat hunter is or is not a conservationist. But don't make the mistake of thinking that just because someone never takes a gun that automatically makes them a conservationist either. In fact most of the guys that I see throwing wrappers and empty cups on the ground around me are the ones that have no interest in hunting, just running. But that doesn't mean it's fair for me to say every person that only trials in a litterbug does it?? Not a single one of us knows for sure if Joeyman or anyone else is over harvesting their hunting grounds or not by what we see them post on this forum. We can only make an educated guess based on the kind of person we "think" they are and most of the guys I see on here care more about the property they run/hunt on than sometimes even the person that owns the land. In some cases harvesting that many rabbits is healthier for the population than just letting them all live.............and we all know some fried rabbit for supper is a good byproduct of harvesting a few isn't it. It's up to each individual to decide what is responsible for the land they are hunting. Not for us to tell them they are right or wrong because they stacked the tailgate up with rabbits...........we weren't there so how do we know. Quit laying a blanket over everyone and make your decision based on that person's character.

Oh and for the last time it's insulting to say that anyone thought this discussion would be referring to anyone besides Joeyman. Mybeagles may have been the first one to actually say his name but this was brought up because of Joey's posts. To try to say it wasn't started mostly because of him and his posts is just splitting hairs............but you are right, jerwane never actually said his name so that makes it ok.

[Bunnyblaster]

Judas preist blaster we were writing almost the exact same thing at the exact same time. scarey huh?

...........yea a little!!


And again, ask all you want jerwane. We turned this into a circus, not you.

[likeemfast]

as you can tell when you read my reply that i am very new to this forum, signed up nov this year, i signed up mostly to post my hound for sale and thats about it, but i do have to say i have enjoyed reading the posts on all subjects and have gotten several laughs on the joke board. with that being said i read this post from the beginning and came to the same conclusion that joeyman was the topic of the post. even tho i am new to forum i have viewed many of joeymans posts from the missouriwhitetails forum that hes posted on for a couple years. my point of this is to say that not knowing him personally, by just looking at him and his hounds in the pics i believe he is a quality individual. not saying that anyone said he isnt, its just that when you look at him and know of the many people he has taken hunting along with the kids too that ive seen in his posts ive come to that conclusion. when you see his hounds they also look well taken care of too. someone who takes that much pride in his hounds and cares about taking others rabbit hunting for the 1st time or the 10th time is great for the sport of beagling and is in the top 10 of meat hunters in my book, he may be 1st for all i know. from hunting in PA all my life a great day, and i mean a great day in the field where im from is for 2 guys to limit out with a total of 8 rabbits. point is hes been doing this for years, and if he was shooting too many it would of caught up to him by now and he would be posting 4 on the gate instead of 15. he has quality hunting ground and a great population of rabbits. as i said in previous post if he gets 10 a day for 3 days for a total of 30, him and his buddies and his hounds walked by at least 60 others that they didnt even jump. we all like to think our dogs can start every rabbit that may b sitting out for the day, but if you have been beagling for any time you know thats not true. so in closing i guess i just found a post that i could add my 2 cents, so i did. happy hunting.

[warddog]

I don't know Joeyman personally but never have thought anything bad about him what-so-ever as he always seemed to be within the law. In fact I have went out of my way to make sure he got a pup from up north so don't even try to start some crap and directing your post at me personally, like I singled him out. I just don't happen to agree with killing so much game all the time, whether I know the property or not and that doesn't single anyone out as there are others that have posted pictures of big kills as well. Neither did Jerwane but from his post it was evident that ALL of you singled out Joeyman. He didn't YOU ALL did and still are. The question was "How many base their success on the number of rabbits killed", plain and simple. That poster also stated that they were just trying to figure it all out and they weren't against killing some to eat but couldn't understand 25 or 30 a weekend. My reply was that I felt the same way but never have I brought up a single name other than citing who actully did bring names into the question. Evidently Jerwane's question brought one picture to everyone's mind, including the recent poster who states they are new but knew who was being referred too in the original post. All I can say is that if the original post brought one picture to everyone's mind that frequent this site then evidently there must be a great impact to know figure right off that someone was being singled out. I don't care if folks kill every rabbit they have to run under the excuse that if they don't someone or something else will. All I can say is that over my 50+ years of following hounds and hunting I've seen many, many places that held large quantities of rabbits lucky to be able to find one now. With everything there is on this earth loving rabbits the number one predator is man! I've discussed the state hunting grounds in Indiana called Hillenbrand and I used to rabbit hunt it long before it was state ground as a good friend of mine lived adjacent to alot of it and it held plenty of small game, today NONE! Maybe just maybe the hunting pressure along with all the other factors that have a LOVE for rabbit on the menu have contributed to going from plenty to NONE! We all also know that there is not one state DNR that gives two cents about small game in their state and the money is spent on deer and turkey habitat where they can bring in the big dollars. Here in Indiana deer were nearly extinct and the state had to do transplanting to get them back on track which I have witnessed in my life time. Do as you please and if I live long enough I'll be able to say I told you so as I've lived it. Just saying what I have witnessed with nothing against anyone, shooters or nonshooters. I judge my time in the field by the experiance not the number of animals I take home and my experiances of having places to hunt that hold rabbits is becoming less and less.