~~Stud dog owners not showing stud dog in field~~

[gwyoung]

"Look at a hound's career, not just one day. good advice." But, and I think someone asked the question , if you knew what format the hound finished in wouldn't that be enough? Not in my opinion. , To assume that would mean all that finished in that format were equal, that all were the same type, that all ran against the same competition, and all were judge by judges of equal ability, etc; Generally if you see field champions run , most of them at least do something very good, this does not make them well rounded hounds, Does anyone think there are hounds out there with the F.C. title that are seriously lacking in hunt? I have seen F.C. that are real good at stealing the check and are in front at the right time but cannot circle a rabbit on their own, I use to run with one quite regularly. All dogs that earn the title are not created equal as some might suppose, so to breed to a hound solely because it is a F.C. in a format you like would not in my opinion be a sound breeding practice, See them run if you can, but it is up to the owner if he chooses to show them or not ! personally I think it would be one of the biggest pains in the butt there is for some of the reasons that others have mentioned here, . Keep one thing in mind all Field Champions within a format are not created equal!

[littlepackguru]

i dont necessarily have to see a dog run in order to breed to it.pedigree,accomplishments in the field and what the dog is throwing.i bred to a dog that i watched run the dog did a nice job but the pups were just average none of them as good as the sire.i bred to a dog that never seen run and the pups were real nice.you never know its all a gamble i think the female plays a big part of the cross to.

[rmhandy2]

Gwyoung I agree i've finished two field champions in the last two years. I have no problem showing them in the field if someone has a Nice rabbit hunting spot. I agree that there are some dogs that have finished that could use more hunt. But realistically there's no such thing as a perfect hound.

[jumpNrun]

It's all about styles. Pick the style you like. It's your money your opinion and it's your job to do the research people are not obligated to show the stud. If Goose was hurt or coming off injury or goin to a trial. He will not be ran. I have enough pups out of diffrent crosses that will show you the style Goose will throw. If that's not good enough for the person they can go on down the road. But if Goose isn't any of the above well it's time to run that is why I got him anyways. So if anyone wants to come and run with him lets go. He's goin gun hunting tomorrow.

[rabbitearl]

Let me jump in on this.Watch him run were? You have to be carefull on were you want to watch them run. If hes going to let you watch him run.You go to a place were theres lots of rabbits and he know it.He will look good.Believe me.To me I would want a place were theres not that many rabbits and deer everwere and if he wants to put on a shock collar on the dog before running him.I ve seen enuff.Don t care how good he can run a rabbit. Fellows its easy to find a dog that can run one.But the other stuff is hard to find.JMO

[ericwaddle3]

Shoot, wouldn't matter, if somebody wanted to breed to my dog or not. Anybody that's wants to watch him run is more than welcome too. We're always looking for a reason to chase bunnies

[johns03272008]

Let me jump in on this.Watch him run were? You have to be carefull on were you want to watch them run. If hes going to let you watch him run.You go to a place were theres lots of rabbits and he know it.He will look good.Believe me.To me I would want a place were theres not that many rabbits and deer everwere and if he wants to put on a shock collar on the dog before running him.I ve seen enuff.Don t care how good he can run a rabbit. Fellows its easy to find a dog that can run one.But the other stuff is hard to find.JMO

If breeding to a dog requires you not to see a shock collar well you better just stay on your side of the fence because anything can happen and my dogs are gonna have shock collars on!! I can always break a deer runner but how you gonna stop a sight chase straight for a road?? You sure ain't gonna yell at the dog and get it to stop before it gets smashed by a car coming!! common sense there!!

Also Newt you keep breeding to those dogs that finished in the different formats just because you run in that type of format just because it finished and you will have a kennel full of Culls!!! Just because a dog finished does not mean it will suit what I or someone else is wanting because I have seen ALOT of different styles finish in 1 format!!! We are to be bettering the breed not just breeding on HEAR SAY!!! You wanna better your line of dogs watch the dog go before you breed to it!! Stop listening to all the hype about a dog and see if its what your wanting to breed to!! If its to old then watch some pups out of it go and then decide but take into fact what was bred to it and not just blame the stud if the pup sucks!!!

[Casey Harner]

Your'll never hear someone blame the bitch for not producing a pup!! But then again, a stud owner should only breed selective bitches... Will they solve the problem with producing culls, no but they sure will avoid breeding to trash. Nobody wants to own up that they took a POS to a stud cause they paid the breeding fee, plus a negative brucellosis test. All the money rolled up into the stud, they sure ain't gonna blame their female. I sure do feel for stud owners cause they have to listen to everyone's whining....

[rabbitearl]

John like I have said.Control is one of the most imported thing in a dog.I ve seen a man that don t even have a dog box in his truck for his 5 beagles and I ve seen men that can stop there dogs on a dime when there in hot running on a rabbit without the e collar.Some men spend a lot of time on there dogs. What I have seen if anybody wants to see a stud dog run in a 10 or 15 ac rabbit pen and its full of rabbits and that dog know it with no off game and you come out and say.That dog can really run a rabbit.Thats what I want to breed too.Well like I say.Run it were.Oh John the last pack I had.Ran them 14 years without the e collar.Some people can do it and some can t.

I might be stepping on somes toes here but what I have said. Watch out were you look at the dog run.Believe me I know.

Let me explain about the e collar.You have two males that looks alike.One FC and the other never been to a trial.One man saids.The fc can really can run a rabbit but you have to hit him because if you not jump a rabbit in a long time, he will run of game and is hard heading about coming to the truck.I ve got a nice 12 ac pen we can run him in. The other man said,This dog has never been to a trial.I ve seen deer run all over him and so far hes never run one and his mom and dad never ran nothing but a rabbit.Handle great.You don t have to pick him up to put him in the dogbox.We will turn out (anywere) if you want to see him run.

I know I make no scene in what I am saying to some of you.But becarefull on just watching one run.I know a lot don't want you to here this.

One thing I can never understand.You cannot have a e collar at trials but in the wild that's the first thing they get before the dog is turn out.Are we just fooling ourself or breeding a better breed.

I do see it coming.That is PETA.One of these days.There will not be e collars.Believe me its a coming.So we need to start looking at that dog that don t need it to better the breed.

[IRON EAGLE]

if you are a rabbit hunter and own a stud dog, you should be taking that dog every time you go. thats why we own dogs. if you own a fc and don't run him you are a business man not a rabbit hunter. your fc is the best dog in your kennel RIGHT. i agree with terry 100%

[IRON EAGLE]

I like it when someone tell me his beagle won a big 5 hunt beat over 200 to 250 beagles. But i have friends that wont run their F.C. or I.F.C. in N.k.C. LITTLE PACK BIG HUNTS

[snowshoehareguide]

if i cant see him run, id ask to see some of his pups run , hopefully a few from different litters -- if i owned a stud,, i might want to see your female run or maybe her pups from a previous litter---

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Good post Pete.
Very few folks will say no to the females that are brought to their studs.I guess it is too hard when someone is standing there with a couple of hundred dollars in their hand.Some feel it's not their business and that if the owner of the bitch wants to pay for the privilage of using your stud let em.
I say we'd have a lot more better dogs available if stud owners required the bitches be of the same high quality that the bitch owners expect the stud to be.
If you value your stud's name,abilities,pedigree and his breeding legacy then why would you let sub-par/poor quality bitches be bred to him? Oh ya.....besides the money!
That's the difference between having a dog advertised at " public stud" as opposed to "at stud by private treaty". One is stating that anyone can breed to him for the advertised price.The other means I can breed or not breed your female at my discretion and the price can be whatever we agree on.