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I got a lot from this post but what sticks out the most to me is how many dogs some folks have owned in the quest for "great" dogs. Let me see if I got this right, You buy a dog ,you only keep him for a short time , ( I know you don't own 300 at once) and you get rid of him and get another. This is about the only way you could own several hundred to a thousand dogs, The question I have is, couldn't you tell the one you are now looking to get rid of was not anything special when you bought it, and you do this constantly? I say learn what a great dog is and then go on the hunt for one, most of you are on the hunt to learn what a great dog is, by buying dogs,you got it backwards!
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gwyoung wrote:I got a lot from this post but what sticks out the most to me is how many dogs some folks have owned in the quest for "great" dogs. Let me see if I got this right, You buy a dog ,you only keep him for a short time , ( I know you don't own 300 at once) and you get rid of him and get another. This is about the only way you could own several hundred to a thousand dogs, The question I have is, couldn't you tell the one you are now looking to get rid of was not anything special when you bought it, and you do this constantly? I say learn what a great dog is and then go on the hunt for one, most of you are on the hunt to learn what a great dog is, you got it backwards!
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Another thing I always get a kick out of is the folks with ,12 dog leads all complete with couplers, Nice truck, Hat with a logo of their favorite brand of dog food at the moment, Bumper Stickers or Window Decals letting all know they are " houndsmen, talk dogs non-stop, owned more dogs than anyone around, a $1200 dollar Dog Box and just about without fail this "houndsmen" will have a pile of $ 50 dollar dogs. I don't know why they are not true houndsmen they have done all that is necessary in their mind,they have all of the best accessories, I mean come on what else does it take?
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gwyoung wrote:Another thing I always get a kick out of is the folks with ,12 dog leads all complete with couplers, Nice truck, Hat with a logo of their favorite brand of dog food at the moment, Bumper Stickers or Window Decals letting all know they are " houndsmen, talk dogs non-stop, owned more dogs than anyone around, a $1200 dollar Dog Box and just about without fail this "houndsmen" will have a pile of $ 50 dollar dogs. I don't know why they are not true houndsmen they have done all that is necessary in their mind,they have all of the best accessories, I mean come on what else does it take?
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bucks better beagles
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GW: You pretty well described me to a "T" except for one very important thing...a young blond with a camouflaged t-shirt in shotgun seat!!
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Buck, one of the few necessaries that make this sport enyoyable, everything else is just fluff!
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BOYS
I POSTED EARLIER I HAD OWNED AROUND A THOUSAND DOGS IN THE LAST 50 YRS. I DID NOT BUY ALL THESE DOGS AS I RAISED A LOT OF PUPS. IF HAVING OWNED A
LOT OF DOGS MAKES ME A MAN THAT DOESN'T KNOW A DOG, WHAT DOES IT MAKE ALL THE BREEDERS OF THE PAST AND EVEN THE PRESENT. DON'T RIDICULE WHAT YOU
DON'T UNDERSTAND OR HAVEN'T TRIED. IT IS EXTREMELY HARD TO OWN A REALLY GOOD DOG MUCH LESS BREED A LINE OF DOGS THAT RUN TRUE TO FORM. ASK DEXTER
REFFETT HOW MANY DOGS HE HAS OWNED. I KNOW HIM PERSONNALLY AND FIND HIM TO BE EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HOW TO BREED A GOOD DOG AND WHAT A GOOD DOG IS. DON'T LABEL ALL MEN AS DOG JOCKEYS JUST BECAUSE THEY TRY TO OWN OR BREED A SUPERIOR DOG, AND IN THE PROCESS THEY OWN A LOT OF DOGS.
TRY TO SHOW THE RESPECT TO OTHERS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE.
A SOFT ANSWER TURNETH AWAY WRATH.
I HAVE BEGONE TO WONDER IF THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE, INFORMATION GATHERING FORMAT, OR JUST A PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO MELIGN OTHERS.
EXAMPLES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD
BRANCO
WILLETT RANDELLS PATCH LINE
BAKER BLOOD LINE
NORTHWAY BLOOD LINE
WARFIELD REDS
AND IN OUR COUNTRY SOMETHING POPULAR TODAY , THE REGGIE PUPS. I PERSONALLY HAVE PROBABLY SEEN 5 HUNDRED PUPS OUT OF REGGIE.
I POSTED EARLIER I HAD OWNED AROUND A THOUSAND DOGS IN THE LAST 50 YRS. I DID NOT BUY ALL THESE DOGS AS I RAISED A LOT OF PUPS. IF HAVING OWNED A
LOT OF DOGS MAKES ME A MAN THAT DOESN'T KNOW A DOG, WHAT DOES IT MAKE ALL THE BREEDERS OF THE PAST AND EVEN THE PRESENT. DON'T RIDICULE WHAT YOU
DON'T UNDERSTAND OR HAVEN'T TRIED. IT IS EXTREMELY HARD TO OWN A REALLY GOOD DOG MUCH LESS BREED A LINE OF DOGS THAT RUN TRUE TO FORM. ASK DEXTER
REFFETT HOW MANY DOGS HE HAS OWNED. I KNOW HIM PERSONNALLY AND FIND HIM TO BE EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT HOW TO BREED A GOOD DOG AND WHAT A GOOD DOG IS. DON'T LABEL ALL MEN AS DOG JOCKEYS JUST BECAUSE THEY TRY TO OWN OR BREED A SUPERIOR DOG, AND IN THE PROCESS THEY OWN A LOT OF DOGS.
TRY TO SHOW THE RESPECT TO OTHERS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECIEVE.
A SOFT ANSWER TURNETH AWAY WRATH.
I HAVE BEGONE TO WONDER IF THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE, INFORMATION GATHERING FORMAT, OR JUST A PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO MELIGN OTHERS.
EXAMPLES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD
BRANCO
WILLETT RANDELLS PATCH LINE
BAKER BLOOD LINE
NORTHWAY BLOOD LINE
WARFIELD REDS
AND IN OUR COUNTRY SOMETHING POPULAR TODAY , THE REGGIE PUPS. I PERSONALLY HAVE PROBABLY SEEN 5 HUNDRED PUPS OUT OF REGGIE.
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BLACKBART wrote: I HAVE BEGONE TO WONDER IF THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE, INFORMATION GATHERING FORMAT, OR JUST A PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO MELIGN OTHERS.
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was thinking the same thing !nchunter102 wrote:BLACKBART wrote: I HAVE BEGONE TO WONDER IF THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE, INFORMATION GATHERING FORMAT, OR JUST A PLACE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO MELIGN OTHERS.
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BlackBart, I stand by my previous assessment, If it doesn't apply to you than it doesn't apply. just curious if you have owned a thousand and you talk about raising pups and such ,I suppose that if someone raised a thousand pups it could not have been for their own personal use , that would amount to about twenty a year every year for fifty years , hard to start and run all of them I am sure. With that many pups on the ground and with a good breeding program, I am sure you wouldn't breed so many if you didn't have it right.
Branco
Willett randall
baker
Northway
Warfield Red
Reggie
Of the above breeders, I doubt very seriously if Frank Reese, ( Baker) ever bred close to a thousand pups , or Willett Randall, or the breeder of Warfield Red. I can tell you another thing all of these folks names were "Household" names " amongst beaglers long before breeding a thousand pups, makes you wonder why some of the others who have bred a lot are not doesn't it. I will give you the answer, same as I stated before , They think it is a numbers game , breed enough, buy enough , own enough, and you will get great dogs. Knowing what a good dog is, breeding like traits, Etc: has no place in their program. Good luck , breed and buy all you want. I offered my opinion same as you, and once again I will stand by it! To answer your question of what it makes all of the breeders of the past and present who breed this amount of dogs, If your name or line of Hounds are not a very well known line such as Branko, I won't say what it makes one but I will say what it doesn't make one and that is a houndsman. Breed 500 dogs and no one ever heard of you. time to let someone else do the breeding for you. Oh, no just keep doing what you are doing and expect some great results to happen soon, yeah, that's the way .
Branco
Willett randall
baker
Northway
Warfield Red
Reggie
Of the above breeders, I doubt very seriously if Frank Reese, ( Baker) ever bred close to a thousand pups , or Willett Randall, or the breeder of Warfield Red. I can tell you another thing all of these folks names were "Household" names " amongst beaglers long before breeding a thousand pups, makes you wonder why some of the others who have bred a lot are not doesn't it. I will give you the answer, same as I stated before , They think it is a numbers game , breed enough, buy enough , own enough, and you will get great dogs. Knowing what a good dog is, breeding like traits, Etc: has no place in their program. Good luck , breed and buy all you want. I offered my opinion same as you, and once again I will stand by it! To answer your question of what it makes all of the breeders of the past and present who breed this amount of dogs, If your name or line of Hounds are not a very well known line such as Branko, I won't say what it makes one but I will say what it doesn't make one and that is a houndsman. Breed 500 dogs and no one ever heard of you. time to let someone else do the breeding for you. Oh, no just keep doing what you are doing and expect some great results to happen soon, yeah, that's the way .
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SOMEONE HAS HEARD OF ME, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HUNTING DOGS RIGHT NOW OUT DOGS I BRED OR DOGS THAT I BRED. BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T NEED TO STROKE MY OWN EGO. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT I KNOW OR WHAT YOU KNOW. I RESPECT YOU, SO RESPECT ME IF IT PLEASES YOU, AND IF NOT OK.
I DID NOT SAY I BREED THAT MANY PUPS. BUT HAD BRED AND OWNED THAT MANY DOGS.STARTED DOGS FOR A BIG BREEDER ONCE. HE WOULD BRING ME 6 TO 10 YOUNG DOGS EVERY 2 MONTHS. I WOULD GET TO KEEP HALF OR MORE AFTER HE CHOSE THE ONES HE WANTED. SO I HAVE OWNED A LOT IN DIFFERENT WAYS WITH RESPECT TO YOU.
I DID NOT SAY I BREED THAT MANY PUPS. BUT HAD BRED AND OWNED THAT MANY DOGS.STARTED DOGS FOR A BIG BREEDER ONCE. HE WOULD BRING ME 6 TO 10 YOUNG DOGS EVERY 2 MONTHS. I WOULD GET TO KEEP HALF OR MORE AFTER HE CHOSE THE ONES HE WANTED. SO I HAVE OWNED A LOT IN DIFFERENT WAYS WITH RESPECT TO YOU.
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BlackBart, I have not disrespected you in any way, I gave my opinion on folks who have went through large amounts of hounds, There are some exceptions such as Branko, or George Nixon. It doesn't matter how one comes about hundreds or thousands of dogs, One thing is clear that person is not owning them very long,( ain't that the truth) there is seldom a good reason for this unless your name is Branko. Everyone should take note of this and grasp the reality of it. My original post was not about pups but dogs, but I will let it include pups . my opinion is not changed , I don't care how one comes by them , why would anyone accept free pups or dogs from anyone that were not of the ability for long term keeping. No one can own dogs for long term and own hundreds let alone thousands. Slice it anyway you want but you are allowing dogs to come into your possession that are not worth keeping. This sums up my original statement . Once again no offense intended but think about my last statement concerning dogs coming into your possession.
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gw ; with all due respect,,,, just what are you saying... the original post simply was to imply that maybe some guys have not saw any differant and thats why they coudnt understand what augerhead and myself and several others where talkin about... if you have only owned and drivin Ford all your life how caan you say that you like a Ford better than a Chevy.. try driving a chevy you mat change your mind..... You have takin this post way out of context.... 
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see low, with the same level of respect , I think my post tied in very nicely, it was about owning dogs, and the inference was the more you owned the more one knew. that owning large amounts increases your knowledge. My opinion was that it is not possible to start out so low as to still be trading up hundreds of dogs later there are not that many increments of good. My opinion was only to help and make one step back and take a look at all of the dogs that is coming into their possession that they are eager to get rid of. Not out of context at all, Still talking about the amount of dogs, same as the original post. And as far as a Ford or Chevy , You are correct that would be out of context as they are two different " breeds". Beagles are Beagles and I never mentioned any other breed If I throw a Great Dane ( Chevy) in here you will be correct. I liked you best when you wrote that this is a discussion board and other hunter's opinions are Welcome. Only trying to help I personally don't care if you go through 10,000.