What is wrong with people?

[gwyoung]

dog, You used my original quote, I backed off from what I would have done all of my life to the better position held by folks like you. I say if those kids don't want to hear the f word then they can go back to their video games and stay out of our woods, fields, and streams. Now, that i am more "educated" I believe that these adults, ( I am not sure at this stage how many adults and how many kids were present) probably had this planned for months and were using the kids to hide behind all along. Before you know it If this is not nipped in the bud the kids will be wanting to join the NRA, for crying out loud. I say rough them up in such a manner that the word sportsman will never cross their lips. That will show 'em!

[beaglerun]

what do you guys think. was I wrong to get mad at them? I feel that I did the right thing.

Nobody can say if your feelings were right or wrong. They are you feelings and you are entitled to experience & express them at you pleasure (displeasure in this case). Can't even say you did the right of wrong thing. I think a better question (That only you can answer in retrospect) would be, "Did I handle the situation the best way I know how?

I only know you (know of you) through reading your post over the years. From what I am reading, it sounds like you might have acted out of your character in this instance. If that is the case, then you already know the answer to your question. If you look back over this incident and think of other ways you could have handled it; then note it as a lesson learned, and move on.

All in all, it looks (sounds) like several decisions were made by multiple people that might not have been the best decisions to make at that particular time. In closing, I would ask myself this, "Would I do things differently if the same situation presented it self again?"

BeagleRun

[Salzer mtn]

Didn't something like this happen a few years ago, some deer hunters ran a man off because they found him in their tree stand and then he came back and shot and killed a bunch of them. A person never knows how a person will react to a azz chewing if he is carrying a gun.

[lebro]

joeyman im with you i would say lesson learned. i would try not to use the f bomb or others but can not make a promise. i believe you could have stopped it earlier but im not you and was not there. im sitting down calmly thinking about what i would do, not in the middle of it. if he shot a dog has been discussed, what if he shot a hunter is sorry ok then. what if one of the kids i hunt with would have shot him? we wear orange and talk to each other all the time and so we know where each other is. these people snuck in and did not talk to anybody. for all those that want to play devils advocate here you go. man sneaks in and is hiding behind a tree and steps out to get shot at same rabbit one of my sons is shooting at, but at the same instance the trigger is pulled, is he dead or just wounded and thinking he needs to protect his self and shoot back. now what? joey was protecting his whole hunting party. i also think some people are just jumping on joey because he kills alot of rabbits.joey i would give you a b- for improper use of grammar but good content.

[gwyoung]

salzer mtn, You are right it was up North, Minn.. or Wisc. I believe. That man was an idiot as all four of these were, even the ten year olds. They were also stupid once a year rabbit hunters ( probably working, trying to earn a living the rest of the time) But these are the worst kind they don't care or enjoy the outdoors like the rest of us and therefore, don't care much about anything or anyone out there so this makes them especially dangerous. Please, be careful while afield you never know when an idiot will show up.

[ray s]

If you approach a man,while you are carry a firearm, and he thinks you are threatening him, it's likely you could get killed in " self defense".
Or have to kill him in self defense.
I sure am glad none of that happened.

[Mo. Beagler 5000]

For me, its the attitude of the guy who shot at the rabbit...

if he for SURE knew better and was doing it to be an ass and was disrespectful and such, then I say Joey did exactly right in his rant..

If the guy was a nice dude who maybe didn't understand the unwritten rules of hunting or just assumed wrongly that he wouldn't care if he shot the rabbit then I say Joey was to harsh on the guy..

I pretty much beg people to hunt over my dogs because its fun and it can open up new spots... Had I of seen these hunters (with kids!) then I would have walked to them first and asked them to join my party and shoot with us. If they acted unsafe even once then I would take my dogs home but so far I have only hunted with one or two people I would not ever let my hounds around.

[mdbeagler]

I don't know how you guys hunt, but when I rabbit hunt each person in my party knows where the other is at all times.
Not knowing is a good way for a hunter to get shot or a dog, an accident waiting to happen.
The guy shooting over Joey's dogs was interfering with Joeyman's hunting party.
Bottom line if you don't know the rules of hunting whether it be legal or ethical you don't belong out there period.
Safety is not trial and error, what happened in this situation should have been taught in a hunters safety course.
Joining a hunting party unannounced is an accident waiting to happen, whether legal or ethical.

[jumpNrun]

These kids should have been taught before hunting and the adult should have been taught as well noone has taught them anything it seems except joey! and we all have diffrent tempers sounds to me these kids even after getting yelled at still didnt understand what he meant so in my opnion we dont need hunter like this anywhere and def not shooting over my hounds and yes im a asshole at times dont need anyone tellin me or judging me this is my opinon no laws were broke. joey if you and i were hunting that day and this happend i would have been right there askin them the same qustions and told them to go buy some dogs pay vet bills buy food and strugle with what it takes to be a real houndsman. in my opinion they had to know they did wrong its like putting ten years into a car you restored and someone sayin they were goin to buy it if they could test drive it then go take it out tear the crap out of it bring back all tore up and sayin nah im good thanks though and your stuck with a pos while they walk away just peachy. they would get an earful! but what can be done not a thing! i mean so many diffrent angles on how this could have been handled he did what he had in mind and more power to those who stand up for what they think is right! they were wrong thats the bottom line!

[Nurse Laura]

Everyone handles every situation differently because of our on personal morals. It is very difficult to say someone is right or wrong without being there to see/be part of the whole situation. The truly only sad part of the sound of this serino is that there are a couple of young kids at the most important age for learing how to hunt and how to be a hunter that is missing some opportunity...by parent choice - putting them in the position to be exposed to situations like this one. Adult to adult conflict is just that adult to adult but the kids saw bad sportmenship hunting over someone elses dog, shooting around other persons and they witnessed conflict. Again, IMO the one who was wronged was the kids (by thier adults) - they expereinced a bad hunting ethics and hopefully they do not take this whole expereince has to how to act in the future.

[gwyoung]

jumpNrun, I am with you on this. after being "yelled at" ( and I don't think that is what happened) kids should learn something. I think when kids don't learn after being yelled out ,than they weren't yelled at enough. I hate it when people try to speak nicely to kids and then go as far as to demonstrate the proper conduct. This is simply faulty teaching and will never take the place of yelling in my opinion. You are right about joey teaching them a lesson. If they don't have the benefit of having anyone to offer help as most of us had, I say tough luck ,stay home, I am with you man.

[dog]

the way i see it is like this , if i pick up and leave everytime i run into somebody else or an inconciderate then i dont hunt , i have hunted all my life and was taught the proper way to do it , the woods and fields are over run with inconciderate people , they think only about themselves . dont matter wether you are deer hunting ,turkey hunting , rabbit hunting or squirrel hunting , people are rude and have no manners i am tired of my hunting being ruined by these type , i respect others while in the field and expect the same . when i arive at a spot and there is someone there i move on and far enough off that i dont effect their hunt and they dont effect mine , when people do these things they know what they are doing , they are looking for the easy way , they dont want to do the work it takes . all these people that say nothing should have been said to the guy , i ask you this , what if that group would have followed them all day long ,shooting every rabbit they could , would that be any different , or have a guy come in and sit 30 yds from your decoy spread and shoot at the ducks you are calling in , or come in and hang a treestand 10 yds from yours while you are hunting , what is the difference , the woods are over run with these types now days and they need to be set straight , if not the true outdoorsmen and women will be run out , i used to take my son to a local park for a youth deer hunt , we were hunting a small hollow with a couple of bedding thickets near by , we sat all afternoon waiting for evening and deer to start moving then right before dark a group of about 10 adults and 10 kids came in and parked right next to my truck and drove the whole hollow , pushing deer out of the bedding areas away from us towards their standers , was it illeagal , no ! was it unethical , yes ! was i pissed , you bet and i let them know it too , people dont care how they effect others so why should i , i have so many hunts ruined because of things like this and im tired of it , i never said he should have done anymore than than give them an earful , if nothing is said then nothing is learned , and im not your mother if you dont like the tone of voice i use then tuff , we aint in kindergarden anymore

[warddog]

NO, Spruce Ridge Beagler I don't have a problem with filling the tailgate or any other hunting issue that is within the law be it written or UNWRITTEN. What I do have a problem with is folks who want to follow only the ones they wish to follow and that includes the UNWRIITEN ones. I would never shoot at a rabbit that another man's dog was running BUT I'll tell you right now if I did and someone got in my face like that especially in front of my kids there would be even more for them to learn other than a verbal outburst from another hunter. The result would be defined to them under the facts of law right there with a call from my cell phone. As many others have stated both parties were carrying guns which isn't a very good situation when tempers rise and this very situation would have been resolved right there that day as the man who shot at the rabbit was accosted by the other person which then put all of them in harms way as neither party knew anything about the other as to numbers in it. Could have ended up like a war zone as one never knows how someone else is gonna react to such a situation be it those directly involved or those on the perimeter especially young inexperianced hunters packing firearms. They may very well only see their parent being attacked and react to only what they think they see.
I've asked several questions about the situation and I'm still wondering if this was on public or private property although it really makes no difference as I assume that both hunting parties were legally hunting it. There are many opinions being voiced and that is what was asked in the original post but opinions do not have any weight in what is right and wrong so regardless of what we all think or opine we must go to what the facts of law are.
My questions then
1. what type of property was being hunted, public or private
2. Does the written law state that someone can't shoot at specific wild game
3. Does the written law state that if a dog is running wild game it can't be shot at
4. Who owns wild game within the state
5. Does ones dog running wild game give the dog owner ownership of the game
6. Can hunters harass other hunters
7. Is it illegal to harass a hunter
8. Can one be harassed verbally
9. Does the written law state a party hunting with dogs owns the game their dogs are pursuing
10.Do unwriiten rules have the full force and effect of law
11.Were the hunters in the other party hunting with dogs of their own or basically jump shooting

[lab]

the other hunting party was in the wrong. Myself I may not got as mad about them shooting at one of the rabbits My dogs was chasing but how did the guy who shot know where Joey's hunting party was standing. Someone could of got shot . I know I would of expressed my self also in a harsh tone just out of fear someone being shot. Those young hunters will grow up thinking it is okay to invade others while they our hunting and may not be as lucky as they were this time from being shot. As longs as Joey kepted his words clean no harm to the young hunters. Its like being in school they get chewed out if they do something wrong at school so out in the field if you mess up you should be held reliable for your mistakes. i don't blame the young hunters but the grown ups they were with. I know joey puts alot of time into his dogs and has alot of money tied up in them so the last thing you want is someone to shoot one. Most young hunters if not taught will get to excited and pull the trigger as soon as they see the rabbit or first thing coming out of the brush. That is how dogs get shot. As parents and adults it is our job to promote hunting but also it is our job to teach the young how to do it right (safety). KNowing Joey I think Joey would of been glad to let one of those young guys shoot the rabbit but you just don't invade someone and his dogs without letting them know you our around them. Maybe after they saw your dogs running Joey maybe you can sell them some beagles this Spring. Best of luck rabbit hunting. Looks as if you have been doing good.

[bigdog]

RESPECT PEOPLE RESPECT!!!!!!! joeyman. i would of done the same thing you did. i dont mind a thing people hunting over my dogs that is i ask them dont care what the law says. i feed them water them clean the pens everyday i think i should have the say who shoots over them.... bigdog!