Red Flag or just getting better?? UKC Nationals

[madcatter]

thanks for the reply.

[eddywilliams]

No problem ,your Tuna male Futz is as good as Dakota you need to finish him or send him to me and let me do it

[Jamie Rice]

I don't think it's any more of a red flag than it would be in any other registry or format. Honestly I'd love to see how good a hunting dog those that finish at such young ages in any format or registry are when they're 5 and 6, which most folks agree is when a dog is in their prime. I'm even more curious as to how many champions are never hunted? More than probably most on this board care to admit. :-)

Do any of you happen to know the youngest hound to finish in AKC SPO? No? He was 13 months old... Just saying. :-)

[Bev]

And Bev run your fox hound for about 4-5 years 4-5 days a week and see if a female will take the punishment a male will, from what I have seen they will not do it.

Does that mean you run beagles on fox? If so, you don't need me to tell you that it ages a dog - male or female, a lot sooner than rabbit trials. I really don't need to ask since my dogs have been pretty much exclusive to fox and coyote the last 6 years, but if you want to hear from some other fox trialers about whether or not their females can hang with the males year after year, start a thread with "fox beagles" in the title and I'm sure some will show up and give their 2 cents. It's kind of off-topic for this thread, anyway.

[ohlinger]

The dogs in the HUNTING BEAGLE CAST did not lose any rabbits .they ran 2 scored on 2 .Madcatter. Ohlinger I believe you have it wrong you were the one arguing about lines because your dog wasnt coming out on them except for the 3rd one in question .And the dogs were coming out on the 1st two exactly where it was called .

LOL u r funny sometimes...i thought that dakot came right out behind falcon everytime and he was scoring and falcon was'nt thanks for clearing that up for me lol except for the 1st one where falcon pick the track back up right at the point the line was called but dakota went back in and came out , reguardless haha i scratched you won good job buddy. tuna dogs had a good weekend with out doubt haha better "git some" LOL.

[TC]

I have been a UKC beagler for several years. I have had some success over the years all with very young dogs. But when you have a large number of cast at a large hunt someone is going to get a great guide and some get a not so great guide. Some score short lines and some score legal lines. Everone scores holes different. This making it imposeable to determine the best dog. In stead in my opinion they crown the best guide and most likely to use gray area rules to cheat. I have proposed to change this hunt to a elimination style hunt. Now if your dog does the best job in his cast and the grounds he was forced to run at, he would countinue to hunt as long as he has plus points. This would give the honey holers much less advantage, less pressure to cheat on lines and holes. Therefor all dog are able to go to next round buy winning there cast. In this style the winning dog has proven to run in many conditions and came out on top of all dogs given the same challenge
until he wins or gets beat. A much more honorable way to crown a winner. Fluhart once told me if I didin't like it don't come. I took his advise and my travel group nor I never returned and won't until this changes. This has resulted in a huge cost saving I often wonder if I should be mad by the way he treated me or share all the money he caused me to save ????

This Right here says it ALL for me EXACTLY WHY you wont see me at any H&H hunts havnt been to one in almost two years to many GRAY areas and its the GUIDES that win or loose the hunts!! As far as the young Dogs go i have seen Quite a few of those YOUNG HBCH Dogs that could do it better at 1 then they can at 3 But IMHO the GRANDS is where its at. Most that continue to Run their hounds into the grand Class and WIN consistently are Much better Hounds

[Chippewa01]

This is getting good...

[Bradh]

Man I wish guiding was all it took LOL I guided multiple rounds and got whooped truth is there are a lot of things that go into winning in any trial nationals is just like any other big hunt it takes the right dog on the right day and a lot of luck. Like the above post pointed out there is nothing wrong with dogs being under 2 years old that can get it done in the field I say if you got a dog that is mature enough to handle it and can win go for it. It's your right as an owner to decide when a dog is ready to trial regardless of what others think or say not every dog is the same some dogs can pound a rabbit at a young age some take more time to get it right. This whole one registry over another thing is kinda pointless look at the bloodlines in these dogs most of your dogs are so similar in blood it isn't funny just because someone decides to run in one format over another is no reason to disrespect there hounds or the titles they choose to pursue a good hound is a good hound regardless of the tittles it holds. I say congrats to everyone who won and placed at nationals especially in the registered its a tough class good work. If you go look closely some of the same bloodlines won in AKC trials this past weekend that won in UKC the same thing can be said for ARHA.

[eddywilliams]

Dont know what your smokin but the reason your dog was missin was because too much foot on the front end for him .End of story

[swing]

Yellow flag

[ohlinger]

lol eddy as usual u can have the last word i will gladly scratch myself from this arguement as well.... but i will add so far his record against tuna dogs is 3 wins 1 loss hehe all kidding aside congrats at nationals, i'm just not big on arguing over something i love to do, we saw it two different ways.

[thornie]

Why is it, that we are always at each others throats? I thought we are all for one thing, the beagles, the associtations we run in and the friendship. Why should I care if a dog that wins a big hunt, is 1-2 or 10 yrs old. Just think of this, are we gonna take side's, if PETA decides to go after one associatation or are we gonna be on this board, just posting comments. Myself it's about the love of beagleing and the people that I've met, no matter what trial format they run. So here's your chance throw all your Red Flags at me, but please sign them with your real name, so I can keep them and treasure them. One more thing, how many times have you taken the time to ask a judge, what did you see wrong with my dog or you yourself saw something that your dog done wrong , that you didn't like? The real thing we do is put a lot of pressure on are little friends, before they are ready to show us their true talent.

Max Thornsley

[Volfan]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Why would anybody get on here and bash a registry what ever it is. I don't see the problem. If i have a dog that I hunt in a format and i see another format that I think is easier to champion in I would hunt in that till i finished it out and then move to another. If I see dogs win big hunts in a particular registry and I know my dog is better I would hunt some of their hunts and show them what a good dog was. I wouldn't fuss because they were too young to win in my hunts.I would show them. Every registry out there has different formats. That is for a reason if people in the same registry can't agree on a format how are people from different registrys going to agree. And before you go bashing me I don't hunt any particular one. I think everybody has a type of dog they like to hunt or maybe a format they like to trial in. Makes no difference to me. And I know everybody wants to defend their format and thats good. Just don't step on somebody else in doing it. I have dog registered in AKC, ARHA, and UKC so this is not a biased opinion. But at the end of the day we are all beaglers no matter what type of dog we run. We all love our dogs or this discussion would never take place. So we need to all stand united and not divided. It is kindly like the deer hunters, which I am one. Some say gun, some say muzzleloader, and some say bow but we are all hunting. So we need to stop fighting against ourselves and fight the anti hunters together. We all have bigger fish to fry. I have a nine year old daughter who loves dogs and anything outdoors. I would like to show her that there is more to hunting than just killin and there is more to beagle trialing than just winning. I know that there are people out there who just want to make money or just win a hunt. And that is in any registry or format. Choose who you deal with wisely and good luck to everyone. All this is just my opinion coming from a country boy from Tn. Everybody can make up their own mind but I think it is bad for business when we are fighting among ourselves. Anybody that thinks different let me have it I'm a big boy and can take it. Just look at the big picture. Thanks Chris Broadway.

[TC]

Lol if it was all About Winning For me I woulda gave up YEARS ago LOL, And I apologize if anybody thought i was bashing a Registry i didnt mean it that way. I like UKC thats were i prefer to Run my hounds i just Dont care for one format so I dont Run it Simple as that But i dont get all over those that do like it. I Run ARHA and AKC also. run what ya like! i gave my honest Opinion On young Dogs in the trials Dont get me Wrong if i had one that i thought was ready i would run it..Some of the Finest Folks i Ever met was at Trials THAT Is WHY I go. As far as the young Dogs if ya have any doubts about if they can get it Done or not try em out..
Oh And ya Already Know Me Thornie LOL

[Volfan]

Thornie, Didn't mean to hijack your post. You hit the nail on the head. Didn't read your post before I posted mine. And TC I'm not calling anybody out about bashing. The ones that are bashing know who they are. And I don't personally don't know anybody in this post so it is not a buddy system. I would go with that he who cast the first stone deal but anybody we are talking about probably not worried anyway so good luck beaglers.