are bawl mouth dogs normaly faster

[Salzer mtn]

Well, i never did get an answer to my question, so i take it no one really cares enough about a dogs mouth in their breeding program to find out for themselves what bark (Chop, squaul, bawl) over another a pup will have if you breed two dogs with different mouths.

[S.R.Patch]

Was always said, A chop mouth is dominant, but like anything else, when recessives hook up?

[Alabama John]

Salzer,

I'll take a stab at answering you.

I have always bred two dogs together that had the closest to the type of mouth I wanted pups to have. I like to have the averages of genes in my favor. Around here, folks don't breed a tall dog to a short one trying to get medium sized ones or a fast footed one to a slow footed one trying to get a medium speed dog, etc. Mouths are the same deal!

Your averages go way up if you breed two with each being what you like as they are alike.

The line from the dam is more dominate so you will get more pups in the litter that are bawl or chop whatever the dams lines mouths are. Bawls are short bawls and chops are soft.

[rabbitsmoker]

Mouths is really hard for me to get i like a screaming loud high pitch when i breed i allways get a varity never have i ever got all one kind but i will say if you like bawl dont breed with a chop usally a squall and bawl gives you alot of pups with bawl like was said 2 of the same you like is the best there is a guy here that has a horn mouth male he says he is not a bawl he is a horn mouth he breeds to and all his pups have bawl mouths i always thought a horn mouth was considered bawl he says no it is in a field of its own

[mdbeagler]

I would say a bawl is any long drawn out note including horn. As far as dominance in a breeding,
there are too many variables to determine. For example what did the ancestors
of each parent have bawl chop squaw. It's like two people with brown eyes producing
an offspring with blue eyes. Brown eyes are a dominant trait, but to make blue dominate
you would have to constantly have offspring with blue eyed parents until the trait for
brown eyes were put way back in the ancestry, which could still come to the surface if
brown was reintroduced. I know when I cross a chop mouth to a bawl mouth I get some
of both in a litter, just like color. The only time I would say mouth makes a difference is
if you have a bawl mouth dog that stops and throws his head back allowing dogs that chop
to past them. I owned a male that would stop and throw his head back with a long drawn out
note to announce that he had the line, but once he was running he rarely threw his head back
as pack mates would be able to quickly over take the track and leave him. This hound was
also all hare hound breeding and was not slow by any means at all.

[S.R.Patch]

You do not carry dominant genes along repressively. If a dominant gene is present, it will cover the recessive and be expressed(show itself). Now two hounds that express a dominant gene may carry the recessive and a resulting offspring from the two may express the recessive. This means, this pup is "pure" recessive, it does not contain the dominant gene in it's make-up(two recessives have hooked up), else the dominant gene would be expressed in the pup.

[bucks better beagles]

SR Patch: I have no idea what you said but, you sure said it nicely. Does that mean that if I breed a fast dog to a fast dog, I will get fast dogs? If I breed a chop to a bawl, what will I get? Do I have have to have a DNA make-up before I know what is a recessive/dominant gene? How do we know these things.

[rabbitsmoker]

I make a cross every year a loud bawl male to a loud squall female i always get 1 the has an exsrtrodinary mouth and i mean loud and shrill it is unreal and it is always the best pup and that is the only 1 i keep i got 3 now i dont know where thats from i owned sire and dams parents and they didnt sound like that or was they as good these 3 are what hunters look for but 1 a litter imagine that

[Salzer mtn]

Ok, thanks for the answers. I have some 3 month old pups that are out of a male that has a big bawl mouth and their mother has a hard chop like a tree dog. So the pups are more likely by your answers to be chop, (I hope so)

[Alabama John]

Salzer,

yes, more chops.

I predict some short deep bass mouths and more chops.

Some old sayings are from experience like "the longer the bawl, the slower the dog"
Seems true in my experience.

Big difference in a short deep bass mouth which a fast hound can have and a long bawl. All deep mouths are not bawls.

[mdbeagler]

You do not carry dominant genes along repressively. If a dominant gene is present, it will cover the recessive and be expressed(show itself). Now two hounds that express a dominant gene may carry the recessive and a resulting offspring from the two may express the recessive. This means, this pup is "pure" recessive, it does not contain the dominant gene in it's make-up(two recessives have hooked up), else the dominant gene would be expressed in the pup.

If you breed consistently for the recessive gene then the dominant gene would become recessive.
If both parents cared that gene then it would resurface, which is why dogs generations later show up with traits that can't be accounted for.

[dhoundman]

i feel the same way but when a dog is running he has to have a big nose so he can stay on the rabbit.i found that chop mouth seem to get cause the nose is closer to the ground so he don't it much. but if you don't have that foot in the dog it won't get it moving

Hello All,
In my opinion,
Bawl, Chop or Squawl, mouth has NO barring on speed.
Running style is bred into our hounds. That's how the "Brace" hounds became in existance. They enjoy just the tracking, and will blow the hole into the ground and then take a step. (Some with Bawl and Trigger Mouths) They are not bred to catch.

As an example,
Bassets are normally slow, however the Field Hunting Bassets, are by far faster. Developed by the current breeders.

If a hound is bred to catch,it adapts regardless of voice. " When you have a fast engine, what the horn sounds like, make no difference."

Ole Moody Blues

Good first post Ole Moody. Welcome to the board.

[dhoundman]

any body ever crosss little nippes ottis breed to a mark five ace breeding i like to now what they got and how it run