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Re: 2010 ARHA Little Pack World

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tinymwoods wrote:True Jim. I guess maybe the same can be said for UKC clubs as well. Maybe the ones I have been to were bad clubs with good 'ol boy judging. I am sure there are some good UKC clubs, but my experience with them is the handler holding the pencil is gonna stroke it in favor of his own dog. Not every judge, but way to many of them.
As far as UKC goes in promoting it's hunts, they are pretty good at it. If you go to the UKC sight and compare that to the ARHA sight, you wouldn't consider ARHA in the same leauge if you were new at this. I guess I opened a different can of worms by posted my opinion on different formats, but the fact remains we need, heck, ESPN 2 covering something this big. Again JMO and didn't mean to ruffle sensitive feathers.
No feathers ruffled here tinywoods I just don't agree with it being any more crooked then Little Pack. I have been in just as many casts in LP that were buddy Judged as I have had a bad Judge in Hunting Beagle that's all. Not really sensitive feathers but dang that was a bold statement.

Hounddog I guess your right some are convinced. But I do think that just as many are convinced that they get buddy Judging going on a lot in Little Pack.
As for looking at the message board I mean really, People do tend to run there mouths when there hiding behind a computer screen. That happens on every message board. But granted some more then others.

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Tinywoods,

Now I am really confused, I just went to your website and on your homepage is a huge UKC emblem :D

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island ridge hounds wrote:bev. i really didn't know this was a sales pitch and if i might add a very good one.
Let me see if I understand this correctly. Are you saying that my comments are actually a sales pitch? If so, for what?
i kinda like the name of the magazine the rabbit hunter. didn't you guys have the chance to take this over at one time back a few years ago.

Who is "you guys" and "what thing" did they have the chance to take over?
i don't know all the particulars but i do remember having the american beagler before cause it had the arha hunt results and scheduled hunts in it. i could be wrong its been a while.
This I can partially answer in somewhat of a chronological order. What happened is fact. Why it happened is purely my speculation.

1. Everett Morgan owned the ARHA and the Rabbit Hunter Magazine which printed the ARHA activities. The registry money pretty much supported the magazine.

2. Everett wanted to retire. He sold the ARHA and The Rabbit Hunter to Gerald Bailey.

3. Gerald Bailey owned and operated both for approximately 2 years after which time he sold the ARHA to Del Morgan, owner of the National Kennel Club (NKC). He kept ownership of The Rabbit Hunter Magazine. This would have been maybe early 2001.

For the first time, the registry and the magazine were owned by separately.

4. Del Morgan and Gerald Bailey couldn't come to terms on a reasonable fee to print all of the ARHA activities. Gerald shot him a price, Del said "no can do." My speculation is that unless you can do layout yourself, you will have to pay through the nose for a graphic designer, which will drive the cost of the magazine up greatly. When one no longer has registry income to support the magazine...that's what happens.

ARHA and The Rabbit Hunter were at an impasse. Months were going by with no results being printed in any magazine. In April or so of 2001, I started this message board to keep communications open to the beaglers. After a while I offered (for a dollar per month) to print a little monthly newsletter of ARHA hunt results - just a xerox paper copied type thing -- folded and stapled, to put a stamp on it and mail to those who wanted to keep abreast of the ARHA news until they found a magazine or came to an agreement with TRH. The twelve-dollar checks started flooding in.

Word got out that I was going to do this and Del Morgan called me in July of 2001. He asked if I could print ALL of the ARHA stuff. I'm a graphics person so I told him "Yes. I mean I know how." He asked how much, I shot him a price, and a deal was struck. He wanted The American Beagler to be exclusive to ARHA and I refused. I didn't want to put all my eggs in one basket because if I ever lost ARHA's printing for any reason I would be left holding the bag. If I was going to do this, I would cover ALL of beagling.

So, my little mimeographed newsletter never came to be. In September of 2001 I launched the first issue of The American Beagler, 80 pages with 4-color glossy covers. I had 243 subscribers. Two months later I had more subscribers than Better Beagling. In March 2002, I was made an offer by Del Morgan and Terry Walker to buy The American Beagler. I'd already quit my regular job and was 5 months invested into the magazine so I declined. The Rabbit Hunter wasn't doing so well so they bought it instead, in approximately May of 2002, then took the ARHA printing away from The American Beagler less than a year after I started it.

Good thing I had other eggs.

Not doing 40+ pages of ARHA layout freed me up to use more color in the magazine and give more attention to the sport internationally, and across formats. I still had AKC, CKC, UKC, and some PKC reporting, and some very good field writers. Two years later I had more subscribers than Better Beagling and SPO Magazine combined. It was a good rag because there was something in there for everyone. In 2003 I bought SPO Magazine from Charlie Fronheiser because he wanted to retire. I merged them into The American Beagler and retained the eSPOmagazine.com website and message board. Those folks have enough activity going on to merit their own site.

The American Beagler never saw a day in the red. The beaglers and the advertisers were great. It was a good "second income." (Anybody who thinks a person can get rich printing a little magazine is in for a big surprise, lol). Unfortunately I found myself in a divorce situation and could not live on a "second income," I now needed a primary income, so I tearfully sold The American Beagler, signed a 3-year non-compete clause (which expired last year) and went back to work in the corporate world.

5. The Ridenhours now own The American Beagler. I retained ownership of this board, the North American Beagle (stud book), and eSPOmagazine.com.

6. Terry Walker of C & H Publishing still owns The Rabbit Hunter and it still has exclusive rights to print ARHA activities.

7. Bob and Pearl Baker of Better Beagling retired and sold their magazine to Ralph and Sarah Harrington of New York. I think this is the Harrington's second year of publishing it.

8. Hounds & Hunting still has the largest subscriber base of beagle magazines and they are still owned by the Slikes -- same people who have had it since the 40's.

I don't see myself in a position to ever publish anything on a monthly basis again, so island ridge hounds, I don't exactly know why you addressed me with a mention of a sales pitch. *shrugs* It was an easy point. I was just aghast that nobody did a write-up of the LARGEST BEAGLING EVENT IN THE WORLD...that's all.

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Re: 2010 ARHA Little Pack World

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barryc wrote:Tinywoods,

Now I am really confused, I just went to your website and on your homepage is a huge UKC emblem :D
That should not be confusing at all. There are links to the formats I have ran and we have a couple dogs that are UKC champions, so why not? If you want to make this a personal thing between you and me because I posted my opinion then that is what it can be. But it will be between me and you, not on this board, on a screen. My phone number and name are posted at the bottom of all my posts as well as my home town. If you would like to call and talk dogs or anything that is fine, or if you would prefer to come visit and maybe go running I will give you my address. I posted my opinion, which you slammed. That is what it is, my opinion. I am glad you have had good experiences in UKC and maybe I can come to a hunt where you are one day and enjoy the format. You are always welcome to come here and run a LP hunt and I will bet you that you will get a fair shake at any of the clubs here in southwest Virginia. There are many opinions. I can't say I agree with yours that LP is more crooked because I have not seen it. I hope to hunt UKC again one day, just looking for a club that is not just a couple buddies taking turns winning (I know this happens in all formats as well). I'm done with this post now. If you wanna talk about it we can, but I am guessing we will just have to agree to disagree.

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Fair enough Mike your right about opinions and good and bad clubs in all formats. I agree to disagree. I wish you the best.

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Re: 2010 ARHA Little Pack World

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bev easy now not wanting to ruffle feathers and thanks for the history lesson it was knowledge that i new nothing about as far as who what and how. it did look like advertiseing to me but thats just me. i say that not being a bad thing. sounds like you could be the one arha could have writing stories about the big hunts. you got my vote but i already said that. you have the writing experience now you just need to have a large committment to little pack for a while and there you go. i'm sure its a simple answer to a larger problem. it will be interesting to see if anyone does anything about it. i myself just a rabbit hunter that likes speed, speed is what i need and little pack has the hounds i like. although progressive pack dogs are getting alot more speed on them as of late.
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I would be about as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool to do that, island ridge hounds. Some bad blood there - not between me and the beaglers, mind you. No, I'm not the one to do this for many reasons. That's why it isn't a sales pitch. Just a nudge to get the Little Pack beaglers to take the helm on this and make sure they get their biggest event properly acknowledged.

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I may be wrong but I believe it was P.T. Barnum that said there's a sucker born every minute. Well there are thousands of us in the NKC-ARHA. We spend a small fortune going to trials in an organization that the now owner said he could care less if there was ever another trial held. They give the exclusive rights to all events to a rag that doesn't even bother writing up the biggest beagling event in the world. As far as I'm concerned the magazine isn't even worth reading and I don't subscribe to it any more. I guess it just goes to show what kind of monster Everett Morgan created. It seems no matter how we are treated we just keep coming back for more. I love the trials and I wouldn't trade acquaintences and the memories for anything. It looks like Mr. Barnum was right after all.

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Heck I didnt even know Terry Walker and the Rabbit Hunter and Del Morgan and the ARHA were even still in business! WONDERS NEVER CEASE! :hammer:
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Bev is 100% right as to the History lesson on the ARHA/NKC who started it and how it was sold both times. Bev I still have the first issues of the American Beagler and all of them to present plus all the Rabbit Hunter issues as well.

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Heck I didnt even know Terry Walker and the Rabbit Hunter and Del Morgan and the ARHA were even still in business! WONDERS NEVER CEASE! Aaron Bartlett
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Re: 2010 ARHA Little Pack World

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LMAO, Trent.

Those were some good days in the beginning of the magazine, eh, Chip? The beaglers made that magazine what it was. Many contributed -- an article, or committee report...or something. The covers were never for sale and it would be a surprise each month who showed up on them. :nod:

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I will be the first to say that the American Beagler when Bev was in charge was my favorite. I too still have the first edition of the magazine along with many others. I also enjoyed the Rabbit Hunter magazine when Mr. Morgan was in control. I can remember waiting for the mailman to deliver the magazine and read it from front-to- back. I also subscribed to Better Beagling and enjoyed it as well.

As far as the magazines of today go, in my opinion, the internet has taken over. It is so easy to do everything on the various boards that the magazine did back then. Here is my suggestion, have everyone that is a member of this board submit a story, write-up, or interview (I always enjoyed them) along with pictures as a "fee" to be a member, then publish it for future generations. I always enjoyed the stories from people that were knee high in briars toting a shotgun. What do you think, Miss Bev, do you want to start printing again?

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Jason, I would love to "paper publish" one particular thing each year. That was sort of my hope with the stud book. I've done many of these things with the last 4 stud books, but i would like to embellish on them since they are only yearly, or bi-annual depending on interest.

Anybody here have their senior yearbook? How much fun is that to go back and look at how things were back in the day! I never tire of looking at mine. That's what wanted the stud book to become. I wanted it to be more of a yearbook in beagling, but it needs to be paid for; that's where the stud ads and kennel sponsorship ads come in. Even if the stud owners don't need to solicit for breedings at the moment, or people don't need to advertise their kennel, it will become a piece of history for their dogs. I think at present there's a thread on here about old stud ads. People want to see them so they know what's behind their dogs. In 20 years there will still be people wanting to know about Reggie, Viagra, Trails, Verswacker, Prime Time, Grim Reaper, Little Nip Otis...and the list goes on. Don't forget the kennel ads. Not only do they help support the book, they are an inclusion of the who's who, and who was active in the sport that year. ("Oh yeah! I remember Freedom Run Beagles! Didn't that old lady from Tijuanapolis own that kennel? She ran those fox beagles")

I think a proper yearbook would have not only the studs for the day:

2. It would list all the big winners for the year -- who won the World Hunt, the UKC Nationals, the AKC SPO Nationals, AKC Large Pack Nationals, Canadian Nationals, etc. and a little paragraph about each dog and owner - nothing huge, just some useful info and a little insight to the dog.

3. Beagling Hall of Fame inductees for the various registries and formats. Interviews wherever possible.

4. I still like the idea of a kennel listing/phone directory in the back.

5. On hunting stories (fiction and non-fiction) there would be so many you couldn't print them all. What would be fun to do is post them on the website and let folks vote on them or rate them, and at the end of the year, select the top 3 and poblush them in the next issue.

6. We could do the On-line Bench Show again and publish that in the yearbook, too.

The possibilities are endless, but one thing is for sure, it would be a keeper of a yearbook if done right and had enough support. Many folks don't save all the issues of a monthly publication, but I bet they would save these.

I've always been straight up with everyone about the details of the magazine, the website, etc.; I don't do this as an income, I work for another company to pay my bills. Here is the proposal from the last stud book. Look at the figure on the right for qty 2,000. (It's a PDF and should open for you)

http://www.northamericanbeagle.com/MoellerEstimate.pdf

That's what it cost just to print the book...2 years ago, at only 48 pages. Something like described above would be more like 80 pages. Now ad about $2 per magazine to get it mailed out in an first-class envelope to people. That's a lot of dough, the printer wants paid up front; (for once-per-year jobs they don't issue payment terms) and I just can't front that on a secretary's salary. I would have to have a fair amount of commitment from advertisers - both beaglers and national accounts.

Long answer to a short question, Jason. I'd love to do this...in the way I described. It's nothing that would make me rich -- it would barely pay for itself, but I've always thought it would be a GREAT THING for the sport, I think I have adequate skills to put it together...(and that you can consider a sales pitch, island ridge hounds. ) (lol)

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Re: 2010 ARHA Little Pack World

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Bev,

I don't enjoy looking at my high school yearbook because I had A LOT more hair back then, was in much better shape, and it is depressing! :lol:

Seriously, those are great ideas. I like the idea of voting on the best story, sounds like fun. I understand the money involved in a project like this not including the time it would take.

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