Field Champion Titles watered down abit?

[Casey Harner]

I will agree with Dixie as well. If I did to pick to bringing young prospects up or my hard hitting Fc's I'm going to bring the younger hounds first, to get some more ground time. Now, if I had a FC or two, and I didn't have any thing else to do on a trial day, then yes I'm brining them down to see how they fair....

[jdmart]

When you bring a FC to a trial all the jealous people are just trying to find a mistake to pick it apart and downgrade it! I've seen it happen and most of the time people aren't going to conditon a FC like they would another dog for obvious reasons unless they are running for an award. When this happens someone sees the dog make a mistake and criticizes.

[Buckeye Blues]

Buckeye Blue,

Would you rather have guys paying a handler and the big entry fee's and getting a FC title for their dog when there was poor level of competition? It sounds like your willing to comprimise the quality of entries for the sake of the guy who wants to gain a title for an average dog???


Mybeagles

Mybeagles,

Its kind of a catch 22 isnt it? I know exactly what you are saying and argee, but at the same time I'm looking at the financial stability of clubs. Like it or not this has come down to a money business. Fact is fact. If the quality of entry means only 10 dogs showing up at your clubs trials is more important verses 40 unproven hounds still trying to finish then your club is gonna go down the tubes. People will not keep shelling out the bucks to continually lose. Period!

Is your way of thinking best for the breed? Without a doubt yes! Is it best for the survival of the sport? I personally dont believe so. Like I said. It's a catch 22.

I applaud your commitment to wanting the best of the best winning every trial, but you are not looking at the overall picture. Reality is reality. It is what it is.

[wvduece]

i know you guys are talking about AKC dogs but i use to run UKC a lil once i took a lil 12 in grade female to a ukc hunt she won her cast n made the final 4 in that final 4 there were champion dogs from other registerys akc fc n arha champions they run 15 n 13 together my lil grade female wasnt the fastest dog in the final 4 but she destroyed those champion dogs on the last run of the final 4 one dog jumped a rabbit the dogs took it up around the side of the moutain the rabbit made the circle and came back off the moutain got down to the creek n almost made a 90 degree turn right down beside the creek well the dogs came down the moutain burning it up my lil female was running 3rd the first two 15 in dogs hit the bottom n right up the other side the went screaming wide open my lil female hit the creek n made the turn right on the line one of the guys there had out a rock on the line my dog went right over the rock so in my opinion i think you need to run those akc fc dogs every dog has its day the next time my lil female might get blowed away on the cast she won 2 hunts n i quit running her she only needed 25 pts to champion out run those fc dogs i think its a shame not too keep running them afdter they make fc its not good imho too just keep a dog in a kennell n not do nothing but breed them just my thoughts for whats its worth jb

[ricky murphy]

Just Hunt -em--dont worry about a Title.Bred em to Accomplish the rabbit to the gun--no sputtering.And be sure to do" IT" in the WILD !!!!

[Alabama John]

Ricky,

AMEN!

Couldn't of said it better!

[DIXIEDOG]

Dixiedog,

You mentioned stud fee's and money.....wouldnt 1 superstar bring you far more $$$$ than a couple average FC that no one is really excited about.

I don't think so, I think you will make more money having several dogs in your kennel that are FCs. A lot of folks will look at that as consistency in breeding, if most of the dogs in your kennel are finished half the backyard beagler's in the world will be knocking down your door to breed to their average beagle in hopes of getting a pile of world beaters out of the latest and greatest flavor of the week.



When looking at FC titled dogs you also need to look at where the dogs are being trialed to get their titles, I know of 2 dogs that couldn't get their final 1st place wins so the owner headed to another state where they knew the competition wasn't as tough just so they could finish their dog's. Although it was worded a little confrontational I somewhat agree with Harner about the FC title not meaning a lot to me unless I see the dog run, I think too many guys just box up there female and ship her to another state to be bred just because of the title and that is not something I am willing to do myself.

[mybeagles]

Are you willing to take your FC's to the woods for an exposition when a guy calls with interest to breed to one of your studs?

Everyone says....Go watch em Run......few owners will entertain the idea of showcasing their stud in the field. Many will say "he's proven everything he needs to"

Im not saying your wrong, but with all the fickle breeders out there, I can also understand why a breeder doesnt want to head to the woods everytime a guy "might" want to breed to your hound. If your in the trial consistantly you can give him the upcomming dates that you hound will be running. If they want to see it, attend the trial and see it compete.

I would like to think the field trials are a nice place to show everyone what you have.....

Mybeagles

[Herb Cronizer III]

Did anyone like what they saw last weekend out the 15 males losses, back tracks ,ghost lines on fresh snow no less you would kind of think the best hare hounds could have kept one going more than a minute i would have liked to have seen a DFJ Murphy white or a Blue Ninja just to see some running if these were the money makers PT Barnum put it best the running grounds were great the food was great and the people were great

[Casey Harner]

Are you willing to take your FC's to the woods for an exposition when a guy calls with interest to breed to one of your studs?

Everyone says....Go watch em Run......few owners will entertain the idea of showcasing their stud in the field. Many will say "he's proven everything he needs to"

Of all the hounds out there that are up for stud service, I bet 99.9% of them are willing to take their stud dogs out in the field with them to show off their characteristics. I highly doubt any smart owner thinks that every trialer/hunter out there runs the same style hound or for that matter will believe that that hound has proven everything to everyone.

[mybeagles]

Your wrong on that one Harner......I thought like you at one point......I had a gyp I wanted to breed and spoke with some stud owners about seeing the dogrun. To my suprise, very few are willing to do that, especially if they are titled or over 4 years old. Im not real good with percentages like you, but I would guess closer to 30% really want to show their studs in the woods.

Anyone with some FC males up for stud lets hear it......

Mybeagles

[Casey Harner]

Your wrong on that one Harner......I thought like you at one point......I had a gyp I wanted to breed and spoke with some stud owners about seeing the dogrun. To my suprise, very few are willing to do that, especially if they are titled or over 4 years old. Im not real good with percentages like you, but I would guess closer to 30% really want to show their studs in the woods.

Anyone with some FC males up for stud lets hear it......

Mybeagles

I just cannot believe that, someone is not willing to take their studs out to the field to give them a run for someone who is interested, I guess the one you took your gyp to, doesn't get bred often if he does it by that route. A beagler has something to hide if he's not willing to show his stud hound in the field. He's not trustworthy. I still believe there are more beaglers out that are willing show you in the field. I know a few.