Breaking from running deer

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Bunnyseeker
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Boomer wrote:Alabama Swamper - When your hounds are out of hearing range, exactly how do you know when they're running deer?
I can answer your Question.First of all,Alabama Swamper stated that he was not worried about his dogs running deer and did not say they were running deer.I have hunted with his dogs and can answer this because I have seen it for myself.
WE hunt our rabbits dogs in the area that deer beds.We see more deer get up and leave a hunting area than most rabbit dogs come in contact with their whole life.A dog is only broke off deer if he will turn down a race another dog has started.
I have seen 8-10 deer get up in front of these dogs and they still run a rabbit.They handle real good and come when they are called.So he must have done something right.
THere has been a lot of talk on this thread from certain ones(Those know who they are) that has only been talk.I suggest to you before you go cutting a person dogs down----------- you better go run with them and make sure that you know what you are talking about.Down this way that can get you a good old a#$ whipping.

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Post by laal »

Bunnyseeker, you should know my cuz. Jack Mac Tire Co. 9h Av. Macky Deason, we run about the same dog.

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Laal,I sure do know Macky Deason.He is a real nice fellow. Too bad that are not more like him.Macky has some nice dogs that I'm sure a lot of guys would like to have.
Laal,Where are you located?I would like to see your dogs and watch them run sometimes.

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For goodness sakes! I just spent the last I don't know how lond reading these posts from the last place I was in on it. I am shocked to see how ugly and mean spirited it has become. I am a firm believer that Joe is a man who has his own ideas and has no problem and endless energy attempting to make you see that his is the true way. In the past he has even made me sit here and shake my head in amazement that a man can come across seemingly so full of himself. LOL With that said however I will also say that at times he comes out with a tidbit that makes some sense. His posts to me are much like the (no offense intended here Joe) stuff he talks about sorting through. But I have also been known to be a bit of a garbage picker at times and can never drive past something on the curb that seems to good to let go to the dump. What is it they say about one mans trash being....well you get the idea. Joe, I don't think you're a bad guy but you should learn to tone it down a little. You cannot go around acting like such a smart ass without raising the dander of a few people. And do not get angry at them when you do! For the rest of you guys....don't get sucked into the muck and begin acting in such a manner. I FEEL YOUR PAIN truly I do, but the reason I like this site is because the folks here have always managed to conduct themselves in a civil way even in difficult times. Please don't let this become a feeding frenzy. Just because Joe tossed himself out of the boat and into a school of Pirranas (sp?) that he has been chumming does not mean we have to eat him.
I do not know the man or his hounds so I cannot speak to that. Nor do I know Chris or his hounds. But while I do not have all the answers I can pretty much tell who talks the talk and who walks the walk. And I will say that Chris and Pete are two fellas I really want to hook up with at some point to compare hounds and swap stories. I have a gut feeling that their boots in the corner and hounds in the kennel look a bit like mine. Well worn and comfortable! Comes from lots of use! How about a truce and a return to some more respectable ways? After all we are all pretty good folk who share a common love of beagles and hunting.
Peace,
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When my life on earth is ended....this is all I'm gonna say...Lord I've been a hard working pilgrim on the way!

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I post this in defense of both sides of the shock collar issue. Over the last couple of years, I've had the opportunity to travel a bit - usually to some of the largest field trials and largest gatherings of houndfolk to cover the event for the magazine. I've gotten the opportunity to sit in on many discussions among beaglers of all walks. Some mostly trial and hunt a little, some mostly hunt and trial a little, but one thing is for certain, from talking to the different folks that have been in hounds a while, I've learned that Joe is not a freak because he doesn't use the shock collar to break his dogs from deer. There are many more folks out there like him in that likewise don't use collars. You won't get a good cross-section of who trains how on this computer, because only a tiny fraction of us beaglers get on the computer. Most folks do use the collars for training and breaking, but there are still many well-respected breeders than continue to break hounds by hand. No one gives them grief over it, and they don't begrudge the folks that use them. There are many ways to ruin a hound and I think that's just common sense.

Different deer breaking methods are no more news than any other hound topic. I'm always surprised why folks get their knickers in such a twist over it. Like dog food, or the best age to start a pup, what someone else does is no skin off our backs. To discredit anyone because their methods are different is pompous to say the least. None of us are qualified to claim the title 'Keeper of the Breed'. When I feel like I've learned all I need to know about something, my most embarrassing moment is sure to follow shortly. I know for certain that my opinions on various things will be ever-evolving and changing as the years go by and I will listen to others so that I may have a crude map as to where I am in my journey.

When I'm at these big trials and gatherings, and walking past all the tie-outs, I notice that the kibble in the bowls vary from camp to camp, some use slipcheck collars/others use dayglo, some keep big hounds/others keep nothing but small, some drive Fords/some drive Chevys, etc. When the day is over and the camp chairs and coolers come out, these deer-breaking discussions are as common as 'what type feed' discussions are. When someone explains how they break hounds from deer with or without a collar, no one jumps up and hollers "Idiot!", and no one rolls around on the ground laughing either. They might go home later and say "that guy's full of crap" but around the campfire, a certain level of professional courtesy is given right alongside the fun off busting each other's chops in fun. We can be brutal in our teasing, but most folks know it's just that - teasing. I sure wouldn't let any of that baloney wreck my day or make me sell my line of hounds, lol!

Now, leaving the dogs out of it, around these 'campfires/events' is every different kind of personality that you can think of. Some are known nation-wide to be a real jerk, or a royal pain (maybe I'm one of them) but the beaglers mostly take them with a grain of salt and brush it off because all we really want to do is run our dogs anyway. I've never seen anyone go up to Mr. Jerk and say "Did you know you're the biggest butt-hole east of the Mississippi?", pack their gear and leave.

I've noticed the confident people quietly discard the chaff from the wheat in their personal dealings and just go on.

Just my $.02 :neutral:

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Post by Robert W. Mccoy Jr »

Well said Bev.

I totally agree.

Never quite understood why people like to argue so much.

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Post by laal »

Bev. you are da ONE!!! Thanks for saying what needed to be said. You are GREAT at doing what you do. KEEP DOING IT please.

Robert I think arguing might be in some of our blood lines. I don't think arguing is a bad thing, look at all that can be learned from this thread. Now if you want to argue about that bring it on.

Larry Thompson

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Post by Robert W. Mccoy Jr »

Nope no thanks I don't like to argue :)

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Post by Joe West »

laal: Check the exchange between Robert W, Mccoy jr. and myself on this thread. In the midst of it all we managed to have a good exchange between each other even though our methods are different. We did not have to argue back and forth because there was no name calling, or smart remarks or harassment just Robert getting his method across clearly and we gained an understanding of what the other does. When we argue we are more caught up in the argument then we are with trying to understand the other guy and that makes it difficult to take much in beyond the smart guy stuff. So you see Robert can get more stuff out in a shorter time by not argueing then ten guys can with name, calling and smart remarks.

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Post by shotgunshorty »

BEV, YOU ARE THE BEST. I THINK YOU MISSED YOUR CALLING, I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PREACHER.

RON ( shorty ) RAWSON

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Ron, I believe my grown sons think I am. As they run out the door, I hear them say something like "Oh no, she's preachin' again..." :roll:

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