Dual champ pup prices - your opinions

Air Force Ken · Post by **Air Force Ken** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:25 am

The hardest thing for me about the original question in this post is that he has a wife and 4 kids and that the pup in question will be a 600 bucks and non AKC registered. That's an automatic NO NO. If you are just getting started in beagling and like most people have a budget you don't buy anything that will limit you. For him to mention the AKC paper aspect must mean that it matters to him, alot of folks could care less. In my opinion if he is going to spend the 600 on a pup get one that you can register in every registry that way he is covered. Who knows the pup could be a AKC, UKC, ARHA bench and field champion.

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 5:24 pm

I agree air force if the hound has no papers it's only a regular hound to me i would won't something that would show that the hound has a pedigree supporting what i put into it otherwise it's just a patch hound and you are breeding patch hounds and the recovery is a mistake period. i've got a saying god, family, job, toy's later. don't jepridize your family for a patch hound.

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:22 pm

PLATEAUBEAGLER wrote:I agree air force if the hound has no papers it's only a regular hound to me i would won't something that would show that the hound has a pedigree supporting what i put into it otherwise it's just a patch hound and you are breeding patch hounds and the recovery is a mistake period. i've got a saying god, family, job, toy's later. don't jepridize your family for a patch hound.

So......you're saying "Patch hounds" are what?

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:35 pm

What's not being registered have to do with Patch Hounds? Did I miss something?

windy hollow · Post by **windy hollow** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 6:17 am

I want to add my

and say that years ago the going rate was $50.00 per pup and a vet bill was about $20.00. That all changed, if you have all the shots kept currant and have them wormed and everything is done properly, $200.00 is just breaking even.

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:42 am

TNBEAGLEMAN, now let me say this first i'm not trying to knock patch hounds or to pee anyone off, cause i've seen some really good one in what little time i've been at this. But our term of a patch hound around here is a hound with no papers to back up it's breeding. another words they could have been inbreed, or breed to any beagle that came along. but that is what the term patch hound beagle is used in these parts, which may mean something different to others.This is just a term around here don't mean offend anyone at all.
Well put windy hollow.

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:27 am

Sorry term i should have used is grade hound.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:48 am

One part about the Patch hounds you are correct on, they are inbred

...lol... Gosh, for a minute there I thought we were becoming like the Warfield Red hound...lol...

Patch

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:25 am

Bowhunter,
In 92' we bought a 6 week old pup for $500. GRCh's & HOF on both sides. One of the 2 best jump dawgs I ever owned, never really took off till she was a year old. Not a real smooth line running bitch but could jump rabbits behind folks leaving the field, that swore there were none. There was not one hair of quit in her as any that hunted with my little Fannie would tell you. Problem was she was a hard breeder and welper, never had more than 3 pups at a time(found out later her bitch side was like this) and her second and last breeding she got a hernia and that was the end of her breeding. Even with all her troubles, I'd give $500 to have another like her.
When dealing with animals there are no guarantees but I'll tell you it's far cheaper in the long haul to start with the best you can get your hands on, that have been long time bred to reproduce in type, the kind you like.
Family bred producers are worth their weight in gold

As any will tell you, I've never been in favour of this show/field cross. Any rabbit hound that can jump, run, continually circleing a rabbit for many hours a day, many days a week and proves this ability for the longevity of it's life and can't win on a bench, well, I would have to say the judges are judging along the wrong lines. Conformation is defined as, "strength of motion", the freedom of movement that allows a hound to run seemingly without effort for hours and repeat it as often as called upon. The complete testing of a beagle and what the breed was bred for, can only be done in the field, anything less and your breeding from an incomplete hound.

Best of luck with your venture...Patch

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 11:51 am

I believe that all of us who take the time to do our homework when breeding, taking care of all possible health concerns, knowing first hand the strengths and weaknesses of our line and the individuals in the kennel deserve far more than what we receive in monetary compensation for our pups; but at the same time, I think the market takes care of itself pretty well. How many breedings would take place for no reason other than dollars if we were getting $500 per pup? As for the original question, certainly a dual champion is worth more than one who is finished in one facet of the sport, but not to me or most beaglers. You just have a smaller market for your product. While I pay attention to conformation in my dogs, it seems that my perception of the standard is at odds with what is winning on the bench currently. Not that my hounds are "more correct" but that they are built for performance rather than looks, as I believe the standard was designed for.

DarrinG · Post by **DarrinG** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:26 pm

PLATEAUBEAGLER, Patch breeding hounds have a long, rich history in beagling, much longer and richer in history than most modern lines. If ya`ll use the term "patch" to describe unregistered hounds or crossed-up mutts, your term usage might get you some mean looks from the serious Patch hound breeders and probably rightly so.....I think the term you are describing is better termed using the word "grade", not Patch. As I said above, the Patch bloodline is long in history and also AKC registered....

Just FYI.

PLATEAUBEAGLER · Post by **PLATEAUBEAGLER** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:03 pm

Darrin if you read my last post i corrected myself, didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers. i will correct it once more grade dog.............

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:41 pm

IMO, $600 is way too much for a grade dog. And too much for an AKC registered dog for that matter. I advise you to do some shopping around, there are many great breeders out there that will sell you a pup for $150 to $200. When you buy a car you don't buy the first one you look at. Shop around, just because a dog is priced high does not mean it will ever turn out to be a good hound. Also, as far as a breeder having a large investment in a pup, most breeders do most of their vet work themselfs if they are smart. I give all shots and worm my dogs at a very low cost compared to a vet.

Mark T · Post by **Mark T** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 9:38 am

You get what you pay for!! If you have done your homework, got refrences from others who have bought pups from the breeder or same sire/dam. Then pay what you can afford. Personally I have no knowledge of the UKC/ARHA hounds or there titles. All my experience is in AKC, CKC. And if it is a pup from some of the best producers in these registries, I would pay top dollar for it. By the time a breeder has traveled around proving the sire/dam in the trials, which the pup would have to be from titled stock to warrant that price. The amount of money invested in the parent(s) is huge. That doesn't include traveling to the selected sire, vet bills, food bills and don't even figure in time. Personally I consider myself a small breeder with maybe 2 litters a year, some years none. Pups sell for $200-$300ea depending on sire, dam, proven cross or not. I have bitches here I will not sell pups off as they are to valuable to let go as there breeding is slowly dissappearing. The hunting beagle is highly underpriced as compared to many purebreds. Ever price an English Bulldog? Our beagles give you there heart and soul every time you ask it of them and all there worth is $200!! My Jack Russel Terrier I have in the house chaces a tennis ball and barks at cars pulling in my driveway and there worth twice that? Don't get me wrong I wouldn't trade him for anything but what is he worth compared to the pleasure a good hunting beagle can bring you. Mark Trudell

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:43 pm

boy that post on the patch hound really made me stand up in my seat,i am glad after some time he got it right,i was getting ready to find out where he was and show him what a real rabbit dog was all about, maybe he is just keeping the patch hound on his mind. WVRABBITHUNTER

PATCH HOUNDS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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