Letter from AKC

[Keyview Beagles]

Tim which dog do you own?

Butkus " the Bassett"

[yoteslayer]

Yeah, there is as much of a chance of Butkus being a basset as I am a pornstar.......

[Ron Conroe]

we will have to change your name to womanslayer

[Gabby's Beagles]

Definately part Bassett . I have a full blooded basset here at the house. By looking at the legs and feet he sure does have basset in him. Probably not done on purpose but who knows anymore. Just remember its not the dogs fault. Sucks you have to go through all this.

[S.R.Patch]

Yoteslayer,

Very sorry to hear this about your misfortune... I hope that the answers you seek will come. Very sad to see that there is this level of dishonesty when it comes to DOGS. I have not been contacted by AKC but I was not the owner at the time of the cross either.

S R Patch,
I am not aware of any "discretion", I think you mean discrepancy on the pedigree of Butkus. However, you may have created a brand new rumor o why Butkus is no longer a "stallion" at stud. He must be a Bassett!

It was never my intention to question the pedigree of Butkis, only the subject hound Speck. But you do raise a interesting question, "is the hound Butkis that was DNA'd, the same Butkis that was bred to the bitch?

[lananbay]

Stud Hound FC Green Bay Mick AKA FC Green Bay Wiley litter mate bother well for 8 yrs. Until last summer the current owner gets a letter from AKC wanting some test taking from this dog and sent in. Long story short now the dog is long lost FC Green Bay Mickey not even a cousin to FC Green Bay Wiley. There were two hound with the two names above that were born about two weeks apart that got switched some how ok . Now the current owner doesn't have the stud fog he paid good money for however Mickey come from a good bloodline of hounds worth breeding to him no doubt.

[warddog]

Regardless of how, that dog definately has quite a bit of basset in it.

[S.R.Patch]

Stud Hound FC Green Bay Mick AKA FC Green Bay Wiley litter mate bother well for 8 yrs. Until last summer the current owner gets a letter from AKC wanting some test taking from this dog and sent in. Long story short now the dog is long lost FC Green Bay Mickey not even a cousin to FC Green Bay Wiley. There were two hound with the two names above that were born about two weeks apart that got switched some how ok . Now the current owner doesn't have the stud fog he paid good money for however Mickey come from a good bloodline of hounds worth breeding to him no doubt.

I understand what your saying my friend. I've seen fellows come to the beagle club with nearly identical pups from two different litters they'd bought, and wondered how they'd kept them straight with no markings or tattoos on them and which papers stayed with what pup in the end...
Tattoo in the ear is cheap insurance...

[wireman252]

If I'm following this correctly , which I'm not sure I am, it sounds as though this pup came from a liter that potentially had 2 different sires breed the female while she was in heat. I've heard that was possible. Is that what seems to have happened here ?

[Keyview Beagles]

Yoteslayer,

Very sorry to hear this about your misfortune... I hope that the answers you seek will come. Very sad to see that there is this level of dishonesty when it comes to DOGS. I have not been contacted by AKC but I was not the owner at the time of the cross either.

S R Patch,
I am not aware of any "discretion", I think you mean discrepancy on the pedigree of Butkus. However, you may have created a brand new rumor o why Butkus is no longer a "stallion" at stud. He must be a Bassett!

It was never my intention to question the pedigree of Butkis, only the subject hound Speck. But you do raise a interesting question, "is the hound Butkis that was DNA'd, the same Butkis that was bred to the bitch?

Not sure who this "Butkis" is.

I can tell you that Green Bay Butkus is tatooed, chipped and DNA'd (May 1, 2009). No one has ever questioned me on anything .

[Keyview Beagles]

The owner of the bitch is the breeder. This discretion happened on the sire's sire side of the pedigree, years before this breeding. I'm sure this breeding is legit, it is the ButkisXAbby cross that is in question, tho the bitch side is unknown(proven)dNA .

The sire's sire of yoteslayer's dog is Butkus aka "Butkis"...This is where you are questioning the "discretion" .

[yoteslayer]

There was a breeding between Butkus and Ackerville abby. At the time Butkus was owned by GB kennels, abby was owned by Dick Frank. In that same heat cycle it seems that a basset got to abby and it obviously stuck, its also possible that butkus stuck as well in some of the pups. So the sire of the sire of my dog is in question. I ended up with a 3/4 beagle 1/4 basset, that has every feature of a basset, as you can tell from the pics. I hunted him this morning and he jumped 5 rabbits all of which holed up within a few hundred yards, but he pounded on every one of them the entire way, and it was COLD this morning.

[S.R.Patch]

Yoteslayer,

Very sorry to hear this about your misfortune... I hope that the answers you seek will come. Very sad to see that there is this level of dishonesty when it comes to DOGS. I have not been contacted by AKC but I was not the owner at the time of the cross either.

S R Patch,
I am not aware of any "discretion", I think you mean discrepancy on the pedigree of Butkus. However, you may have created a brand new rumor o why Butkus is no longer a "stallion" at stud. He must be a Bassett!

It was never my intention to question the pedigree of Butkis, only the subject hound Speck. But you do raise a interesting question, "is the hound Butkis that was DNA'd, the same Butkis that was bred to the bitch?

Not sure who this "Butkis" is.

I can tell you that Green Bay Butkus is tatooed, chipped and DNA'd (May 1, 2009). No one has ever questioned me on anything .

I would question you some more but my spelling is off today for some reasone and my "tattoo" is fading so must go have it redun...
Hope someone else can give you the attention you seem to want, an ask you more about your hound.
Best wishes...

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

There was a breeding between Butkus and Ackerville abby. At the time Butkus was owned by GB kennels, abby was owned by Dick Frank. In that same heat cycle it seems that a basset got to abby and it obviously stuck, its also possible that butkus stuck as well in some of the pups. So the sire of the sire of my dog is in question. I ended up with a 3/4 beagle 1/4 basset, that has every feature of a basset, as you can tell from the pics. I hunted him this morning and he jumped 5 rabbits all of which holed up within a few hundred yards, but he pounded on every one of them the entire way, and it was COLD this morning.

So mistake or not, why did they sell the pups? Oh that's right the all mighty dollar, too me that was a bad move. As far as your dog? Brother that's a Basset hound all day in my eyes. Good luck recouping that money you deserve whatever was paid for him.

[S.R.Patch]

There was a breeding between Butkus and Ackerville abby. At the time Butkus was owned by GB kennels, abby was owned by Dick Frank. In that same heat cycle it seems that a basset got to abby and it obviously stuck, its also possible that butkus stuck as well in some of the pups. So the sire of the sire of my dog is in question. I ended up with a 3/4 beagle 1/4 basset, that has every feature of a basset, as you can tell from the pics. I hunted him this morning and he jumped 5 rabbits all of which holed up within a few hundred yards, but he pounded on every one of them the entire way, and it was COLD this morning.

So Speck may be 1/2 basset? is there a picture of him? just interested to see if he has any features but probably not as there was no questioning him when breeding.
Sounds like you have a nice rabbit hound regardless. Is there anything noticeably enhanced with the nose and mouth on your hound?