breeders guarantee

[rabbitsmoker]

They will not get thier money back here before 11 months old The whole thing in a nut shell is what is understood on paper before they go home with the pup that is the only way so both parties wont forget are there is a misunderstanding. my dad sold dogs on his word years ago but a mans word isnot worth much these days thats why its put on paper

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I breed very few mostly just to keep my blood going, I guarentee mine to leave here healthy,Fat,and handled by 3 kids so not stupid shy.Other than that.Your on your own how they turn out. To give a guarantee on anything other than health seems a little far out for me.I guess some will disagree but i have seen littermates that were as far from one another as anything. How or why would anyone go out on a limb to say they will do this or that. You boys making these promises let me know you can guarantee me a ifc i will pay a extra hundred over asking price.

[bill huttozac]

I only guarantee a pup's health, parentage and that they are well socialized. Anything beyond that is the responsibility of the buyer. When I sell a grown dog, I will guarantee it's health and age. If the buyer thinks that it is not as I represented it to be, bring it back (healthy) within 10 days and I will refund the money. My Stud dogs are DNA Profiled.
Only a foolish person would guarantee a 8 week old pup to be a good rabbit dog and at the same time, only a foolish person would buy a pup with such a guarantee. Either way, it is a BIG RED FLAG>

[rabbitsmoker]

I know sevral that guaratee like that but they know thier dogs if you breed a female 4-5 times with the same male you should know what your getting and i think the whole point is being missed here no one said there was a guaratee to be a trial champ the only guaratee is the pup will start if a man dont know his dogs well enuff to know they will start something wrong Willet Randall had a better guaratee than that if you didnt Like the dog at a year old he had 100% money back I have bought dogs off several with a year guaratee I will not sell a dog to nobody i wouldnt buy back for the same money if i had the room If its not good enuff for me or i dont trust my breeding the dog will be buried not sold The only guaratee here is to start running not be a world beater (Bill -Buggs was lightly started when you purchased her from me less than a year old i dont know the progress of her at all thats been about a year ago and i will give you your money back no ? ask)LOL

[TnHoss]

The way a buddy puts it when people buy pups off him is like this " Once your tires leave my driveway and hit the blacktop that pup is yours so make sure it is what you want cause there wont be no turning back"

[carl ellis]

some just dont make it as a trialer or a hunter,thats just the way it is!

[Bunnyblaster]

I have never had that problem with one being gunshy but my guaratee is plain and simple before they leave with it if hunted i only guaratee them to hunt and run only I dont guaratee not to be gunshy because that can be caused by owner And i agree you need to sell to cover some exspense that doesnt make you a puppy mill myself i consider a puppy mill someone that only raises pups to try to make a living at If selling a few pups because i dont have room or dont keep alot of males makes me a puppy mill i guess thats what i am but i dont think so

To make it clear rabbitsmoker you are NOT a puppy mill in my book and you are the kind of breeder I was talking about. The guy that maybe makes a cross or 2 a year for yourself to have a couple of pups and then sell the rest because you, like me, don't have time to keep them all and do them justice. I commend you for how you do it and the guarantee you give.......it sounds reasonable enough to me. My problem is people that are going to "expect" a guarantee because I think that is up to each breeder if they want to offer one or not. I may make a cross in the future and it will be the first one with these 2 particular dogs. I know what the parents are but I have no idea for sure how the pups will turn out. Should I give a guarantee or not??? The cross will be so that I can have a pup or 2 for myself and then I'll let the rest go unstarted.

[bill huttozac]

Rabbitsmoker - LOL -Thanks for the offer but Rock Hills Gay Mandy (aka Buggs) is not for sale at any price. She is one nice little Lady. She has a Litter of pups that are 7 weeks old, line bred Gay, off of my Stud, Rock Hills Gay Koby. Koby is out of Dave Hatfield's Kennel, Louisa, KY. All of the pups are classically marked and should be 13 inch class. She works very well as an addition to my pack. Just need more bunnies to run.

Rock Hills Gay Sadie (Litter mate to Buggs) also has a Litter of pups about 8 weeks old. Again, these are line bred Gay pups, off of my Stud dog, Rock Hills Gay Sam. Sam is off of Bill's Gay Bojo and a bitch sired by Gay Bake's Little Man.
You ready to sell Ruby?

If one of these pups are sold, I would only guarantee it's health and parentage. What the buyer makes of the pup is entirely up to them. One can only take out what they put into the dog's development.

[rabbitsmoker]

Bunnyblaster- I usally dont give that guaratee on 1st cross litters I try to be as honest as i can and tell them this is the 1st cross and dont sell them for as much as i would some i know how thier going to turn out However if they dont start i will try to work something out with them on another pup BILL-Ruby is still here she is a great grand-ma now her pups are awesome easy to start and making fine hounds her great grand-pups arent old enuff yet but looking real good

[Salzer mtn]

When you buy a new car you get a warrantee for so many miles. If you want a bigger warrantee or guarrantee like one hundred thousand miles you pay extra. If a buyer of a pup want's a guarrentee more than the pups health let him pay for it.

[Bunnyblaster]

Good analogy except a manufactured piece of equipment is "going" to work the way it was designed.....or at least in most cases it's supposed to. The extended warranty is just them betting you'll pay the money and it'll work long enough for you to be screwed out of your cash in the end. There is still no guarantee that a pup is gonna run the way you like or even start on rabbits for that matter. Now if you could talk them into paying the extra then should they get their money back if they decide to bring the pup back?

That was kind of a funny analogy though salzer.

[bucks better beagles]

Lot of talk on here about "puppy mills". As an account, where is the line between the number of pups that are bred each year and sold each year so that one becomes a "puppy mill"? What does that really mean? Seems like everyone who is breeding and selling, does not consider themselves a puppy mill but consider other people to be. I don't know any puppy mill people. Who are they? Where are they?

[toldyouso]

I am a breeder and I sell nothing that is not started. I have my own training pen that is 5acres and never have I had a pup out of my line that has not been started by the time they are 5 months old alot of the time they are running by the time they are 4 months old depending on weather rabbit population and so forth. So my gurantee is this they have had at least two shots have been wormed every two weeks until they hit 3 months old. Come watch them go in my pen if you want to see them go on outside of pen we can do that to. You like or do not like but to sell one off the tit how can you gurantee that dog is going to recieve the time and training it needs to be sucessful. No guarantees off the tit thats sucide.

[rabbitsmoker]

I wish i was set up to get them started 1st that is the way to go but im not i would sure like a running pen. My pups are usally gone to local hunters that know me and our dogs so 99% of the time i know they will be hunted my problem is deciding on what to keep because id like to keep them all but cant My opinion on a puppy mill is someone who raises pups for the sole purpose to sell them all runs them on forsale ads I believe someone who has been in it a while and raises good pups want have to advertise them not all the time there are good folks that dont raise many and dont hunt with alot of people

[george pirman]

A PUPPY MILL - is someone that raises more then one litter a year and sells more then half of the pups raised or more then three litter within a 5 year period and sells more then half of each litter. If you raise the whole litter and start each one in a good starting pen then sell or cull some you maybe a breeder.