are bawl mouth dogs normaly faster

[Buckeye Blues]

Hello All,
In my opinion,
Bawl, Chop or Squawl, mouth has NO barring on speed.
Running style is bred into our hounds. That's how the "Brace" hounds became in existance. They enjoy just the tracking, and will blow the hole into the ground and then take a step. (Some with Bawl and Trigger Mouths) They are not bred to catch.

As an example,
Bassets are normally slow, however the Field Hunting Bassets, are by far faster. Developed by the current breeders.

If a hound is bred to catch,it adapts regardless of voice. " When you have a fast engine, what the horn sounds like, make no difference."

Ole Moody Blues

Good first post Ole Moody. Welcome to the board.

[rabbitsmoker]

I totally agree Mouth has nothing to do with speed its all in the breeding

[OleMoodyBlues]

In my experience,
and since I prefer a Bawl'n hound, I breed and bred for voice for years, and have used some sqawl'n voice hounds in the past.
I've noticed the notes are held longer, however usually lighter in tone.

I'm often asked why I prefer a Bawl note hound, It is basically for the sound carrying factor, in high wind and distance.
The sound is so beautiful, be it just one or more bawl'n hounds putting it down, right.....just like singing the Blues.....

Ole Moody Blues Kennels

[chapkosbeagles]

RABBIT SMOKER CORRECTION IT IS ALL IN THE DOG NOT THE BLOOD GOOD AND BAD IN ALL BLOOD

[rabbitsmoker]

Speed is in what is bred in the hound if you have Branko bloodline and Blackcreek bloodline Branko is going to be faster because its in their blood to run hard no matter if they bawl chop or cherp if you was breeding for speed you wouldnt breed to a slow bloodline its in the breeding

[chapkosbeagles]

own many slow branko dogs bud it is in the dog rather he is fast or slow

[rabbitsmoker]

I have to owned slow dogs that was supposed to be fast but she was a dud if i was looking for fast hound the 1st thing i would look at is how the dog is bred i wouldnt call someone with dogs bred to be slow

[thornie]

Really enjoyed this disscussion. I'm hunting a bawl, chop mouth dog. Usally when he starts a colder track he will do all the things that you have mentenioned in your posts. You would think, why do I keep hunting a dog like this, but the answer is he produces the rabbit. The other dogs that I have started with him are a little hotter nosed and won't open until they can smell the track better. But you can belive this, they are searching for that track and are not to far away from the old man. When he's really got ahold of the track, he will go from a bawl straight into a chop, then thats when the young ones take over. So I just say Thank You to those that I purchased these dogs from, for letteing me have the time and pleasure of hunting them.

[bucks better beagles]

rabbitsmoker: I have a 2 year old dog out here that has every Branko FC in the last 30 years in his 5 generation pedigree and he is slower than s...
He has a chop mouth too.

[rabbitsmoker]

Is the dog brace style slow**** Not every dog out of fast bloodlines is going to be fast but generally speaking for the most part folks buy certain bloodlines if they want speed ask the question which is faster Dingus mcrae or little nip ottis see what the response is now with that being said there are a few thats going to crop out little faster out of otis and a few little slower out of dingus but the chances of getting the most percentage faster will be out of the dingus bloodline I go by the bloodline i may be the only one that does but im not going to buy a slow bred hound expecting to get a hound with speed it may work for others but never has for me You cannot train a dog to be fast or slow its in thier blood Thats common sense to me but thats me

[bucks better beagles]

rabbitsmoker: To name only a few: Brent's Prime Time, Turbo Powered by Prop, Branko's Jackpot, Jack of all Trades, Able's East Coast Trimmer,
Taylor's Sock it to Me, Mikermas Super Dog, Brankos Heliprop,. I wouldn't consider any of these dogs "slow". My simple point is, that it may not be the mouth style that makes a dog fast or slow, but in this case, it certainly isn't blood either. All my dogs are well bred but speed, is simply a term based on the individual and of course, relative to the person running them. The dog I am speaking of is 2 years old and I have a 10 month old pup out of Birch Lake Junior that will run his socks off. I have another 10 month old pup out of nothing you probably have ever heard of that will run both their socks off and he was born with only 2 toes on one of his rear feet. Go figure. Neither pup is a cutter or swinger but will do it straight up with hard check and line control.

[rabbitsmoker]

If i didnt know any better i would be confused of why even have a certain bloodline if speed is not a factor in what blood anyone runs If i was looking for one to run with my pack and speed had nothing whatsoever to do with bloodline and i was buying a pup to train i guess i could go look at a brace kennel and hope for the best -not- Ive looked at bloodlines to have a pack equal in speed for 32 years it works for me maybe im wrong( I thought speed was one of the chararistics a bloodline had guess not )when i called Larry Perry and told him what speed i run and was looking for a dog the 1st thing he did was named bloodlines of what would match what i was telling him

[S.R.Patch]

Smoker, nothing wrong in what your doing.
Breeding for a level pack is an ongoing process. The more breeders of a line, the more variations there will be ie..selection and standard.
Breeding a family of hounds is all about uniformity in the end product...

[chapkosbeagles]

rabbit smoker we are not saying you are totally wrong it is more in the hound you can take 2 litter mates one can be fast the other can be slow

[rabbitsmoker]

Right -i got 2 mates 10 months that are that way But the one that is slower dont get throwed out of the race but she is slower my experiance of raiseing pups out a certain bloodline they will vary in speed but the never had a litter with any that couldnt keep up i have made out cross to improve nose and had it happen but the outcross was to a slower hound and the litter was very unequal Just a simple disscusion where eveyone is right in some way