brushline dozer autopsy results

[danny vansickle]

Danny,
I am very sorry to hear of your loss but after keeping up with this post it appears to me that in some twisted way, you are starting to point fingers towards me. I would hope that even though your cast against me did not go as expected. You dont think ol jimmie is in on this. Maybe i am reading too deep into it. But thats just how i am reading it. So why dont you tell me.

no fingers have been pointed in anyones direction jimbo,like you said in another post,you wasn't even there friday,what would make you think i was pointing to you?your name was never mentioned,nor was your dog or buddies!!
i just hope that if anyone seen anything or hears anyone talking they would do the right thing.
i contacted arha today and joyce said she hadn't heard anything till now,she is contacting del mordan and fred hausman and others to look into this,i feel that someone should be held responsible and they should be banned for life.then they will have to deal with me,i could care less if i get banned if i find out who did this i will take care of it my own way,they make lawyers and courts to take care of the legal side but the personal side is the one that gets messy.

if ya play with fire your bound to get burned,truth is we may never know who was respaonible,but i have a good idea who was capable and low enough.

and like i said no fingers have been pointed yet but a guilty conscience serves as a very good guide

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Well maybe i am crazy but there ya go again with the guilty stuff.
I aint guilty period . I also will not try and protect my integrity. If i ever get low enuff to do something like this i deserve what i get. But before this turns into a pissing contest , believe this get your facts straight.
When i get beat . I am beat. I dont bitch, moan & try to get it stirred up .
So its over as far as i am concerned. Accusing anyone of doing something so terrible , is pretty big stuff. I thought after meeting you that you were
more guess i am wrong. Look another way.

[danny vansickle]

Well maybe i am crazy but there ya go again with the guilty stuff.
I aint guilty period . I also will not try and protect my integrity. If i ever get low enuff to do something like this i deserve what i get. But before this turns into a pissing contest , believe this get your facts straight.
When i get beat . I am beat. I dont bitch, moan & try to get it stirred up .
So its over as far as i am concerned. Accusing anyone of doing something so terrible , is pretty big stuff. I thought after meeting you that you were
more guess i am wrong. Look another way.

jimmie,no one is accusing you of anything,why are you blowing this up and saying i am accusing you?

fact is i do have a good idea of who may have done it and it is not you,your name has not come out of my mouth when i have spoken to anyone about it,there is one guy that would not look me in the eye the whole weekend,i made it a point to look at him and he would drop his head and go the other way,i asked a couple people that sen him acting this way and they even noticed it and he was around the dogs and had no reason to be.i may be reading in to it too much too,but like you said,you came up to me and introduced yourself,and we spoke a couple times,no problems,so why worry jimmie?
trust me,i am not accusing you,fact is i dont know who did it but i have a hunch and i will not say who,i will not argue about this,why do you think i have not worried about getting my computer fixed?i am done arguing,and could care less if i go to another arha trial or world hunt,how can i feel safe,i went to a club hunt at my own club saturday,judged two rounds but all that was on my mind was the saftey of my dogs,fact is i have no enemies in akc that i know of,i like the format,and at least there ya don't have to worry about rolling a cheatin judge into you cast and cheating you out of three months of hard work and a ton of money invested.

end of discussion,i am not accusing jimmie abshire of anything.

you jumped in and put your name out there i didn't,but your not the lowlife who looked the other way,you talked to me face to face,that is more than i can say for others,especialy one piece of s#@t and he knows who he is.

i haven't ruled out anyone but one name was mentioned to arha today and it was not jimmie abshire.

[Scott Green]

Where did anyone in particular get accused of doing this on this thread? Unless I have missed it (and I have read these posts several times), nobody in particular was accused. I am sure that if this was done by someone, their guilt will get the best of them, as it should. I had dogs housed in the same area at the world hunt, fortunately for someone mine are ok....that is if it were done by some low life and not just a freak accident.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Well I am glad to hear it. I want as far from it as possible. Period. It was actually brought to my attention about your post. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT MY X- WIFE IS THE ONLY BREATHING THING I EVER WANTED TO POISION......I got over it though . Let me know if i can help in any way.

[SilverZuk]

You said the dogs were tied out in a barn, or near a barn.
Is it possible that rat poison was in the barn, perhaps in the center of wire spools when you moved them.

I have put rat poison in my out building before. I have found dead mice out in the yard.
I have also found the rat poison stashed in lots of stuff in the building.
ATV air cleaner, lawnmower wiring, bags of decorations, etc.
I don't use poison anymore because my building is about 40 from my ground kennel for the reason that poison is scattered everywhere.
I now use a trash can with some corn in the bottom. The rats and mice jump in and can't get out.

Also, I don't know if the vet has the ability to save and analyze tissue to determine exactly what the poison was, who manufactured it, and where it is sold. Each type of poison has a unique blend of ingredients to pinpoint the manufacturer. You would have to deliver enough of a sample to company that does that type of analysis. They could probably run it through gas chromatograph/spectrometer to tell what the ingredients are and concentrations. It will take some time and money, but if you really want to know what the cause is. You might contact the vet hospital in Blacksburg Va also.

I am with everyone else if the dogs were intentionally poisoned.
That would be as low as you could go.

[danny vansickle]

You said the dogs were tied out in a barn, or near a barn.
Is it possible that rat poison was in the barn, perhaps in the center of wire spools when you moved them.

I have put rat poison in my out building before. I have found dead mice out in the yard.
I have also found the rat poison stashed in lots of stuff in the building.
ATV air cleaner, lawnmower wiring, bags of decorations, etc.
I don't use poison anymore because my building is about 40 from my ground kennel for the reason that poison is scattered everywhere.
I now use a trash can with some corn in the bottom. The rats and mice jump in and can't get out.

Also, I don't know if the vet has the ability to save and analyze tissue to determine exactly what the poison was, who manufactured it, and where it is sold. Each type of poison has a unique blend of ingredients to pinpoint the manufacturer. You would have to deliver enough of a sample to company that does that type of analysis. They could probably run it through gas chromatograph/spectrometer to tell what the ingredients are and concentrations. It will take some time and money, but if you really want to know what the cause is. You might contact the vet hospital in Blacksburg Va also.

I am with everyone else if the dogs were intentionally poisoned.
That would be as low as you could go.

the vet said that with the extent of the damage done to his internal organs dozer would have had to eaten a lot,a whole box was what he said,i cleaned the area,i moved the dogs from stake to stake all week,so why are my other dogs fine?i had 4 different dogs in the area close to dozers brother woody,dozer was the only dog hit and woody was sick,and it seems wierd that the female was right next to scooter the other world champ in the barn,if it vwas an accident why is the poison confined to two areas near two world champion dogs?

this was no accident.

i am signing off now,see ya all later.

[Chris Shoopman]

do you think there are anyways the dogs or dog could of ate Something while out in the field that had been put out poised to kill coyotas or anything like that?

[SilverZuk]

I doubt it.
Sounds like it was localized in the area that specific dogs were tied out.
That is why I was asking about possibly one dog finding "a stash" of rat poison and eating most of it.
Other dogs staked out in the same place may have cleaned up.

I was just suggesting theories without malice.
Apparently Danny has a strong feeling that a specific individual did this.
If so, I hope he can prove it to expose who would do something like that.

[warddog]

Has the Vet definately identified rat poison as I know anti freeze can and will kill one pretty quick. I had coon hound some years back that the VET thought got into antifreeze and the gums were as Danny explained.

[DRamey]

Danny, FYI. I was talking to my wife aboutthis last night, she is an ICU RN. She said that there is a blood thinner (taken by heart patients, high blood pressure patients, etc.) called Warfarin, which is the equivalent if rat poison in human medicinal form which will do the same thing and dogs don't need to eat and eat, just swallow a few pills (possibly hidden in food) that does essentially the same a srat poison, drowns them in their own blood.

[BrewerMo]

Sory for your loss Danny. Ron and I had our dogs only about 100 feet away from that barn and didn't have any problems. We were also camped within 100 feet or so of the barn and we were there since friday night the weekend before. We didn't notice anything out of the ordenary or anyone snooping around.
I know you are upset but I just hope you arn't throwing names around ( to the ARHA or whoever) and come to find out Mr. Christmas or someone else has set poison out in the barn some time before. Accusing someone of doing something that low might not be made ok with an appology. On the same token if someone did do this I hope you find out so maybe everyone else can rest a little easier at the hunts.

Sorry again for your loss, Ryan Brewer and Amy Brewer

[grim]

danny did you and kevin run the day before the world hunt with the same dogs that were affected maybe they found something in the feild and all got into it and dozer got the brunt of it just another thought i am sorry to her about dozer i now how you talked about him and never got the privalige see him run if i here anything around ill be sure to let you now
joey salyers

[wabbithunter]

Danny has not as far as i can tell has named anyone emplying aanyone had done this. SSo some people should read items closer.

[mobeagler]

He said he mentioned a name to arha.