Randy, I couldn't agree more. It all goes back to that earlier post about fathers teaching their sons the proper values. If one generation fails in that area, it can ruin what has taken place in all of the past generations.
A word of explanation about my earlier post. I don't sell a lot of dogs. I breed for my own use and sell the extras. I have sold quite a few, over a number of years and found that having the money in hand first is always the best policy. If the customer doesn't trust me enough to do that, then I am not interested in selling to him anyway. One time, I made a mistake in figuring the total cost of getting the dog to a customer and had to go back to him, with hat in hand, and explain what I had done. He believed me and sent more money to cover everything.
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Ranger, I never meant to imply that you sold dogs like a dog jocky would and if that was the impression I left I do appoligize as that was not my intentions. It's just that you lead me into the things that prompted me to make this post in the first place. It all boils down to trust among those of us that are members of this beagling world be it breeders, hunters, trialers or just plain ole dog lovers. In order to be able to buy and sell via the internet to basically strangers we have to instill some amount of trust. The rub comes in when who has to trust whom. If a seller says I will ship no dog without money in hand and the buyer says I will send no money unless I have dog in hand there is no sale. How many of you folks would be able to sell ALL your pups and dogs locally and in person where the seller and the buyer met face to face? I doubt there are very few of you that could do so and this is my point. If there is no element of trust among us there will eventually be very little if any internet sales. I find it interesting that there are 1127 views of this but only 30 replies. I also find it interesting to see 12 pages of trading post ads and several for upcoming litters. Is everyone advertising on here going to only sell to those they met in person? Is the seller going to have to have their money in hand before the item is shipped or is the buyer going to want the item before they turn loose of their hard earned money. Which is more important your item or my money? I'm quite sure those who have had the elevator ride have a totally different perspective of who's trusting whom and I don't blame them. Now, we ALL are suffering due to the actions of one indivdual. I'm not meaning to be controversial but just looking for ways to embetter what we have to do with.
I wouldn't buy unless I've talked to the seller on a regular base before the sale item came up. Also I'd make sure he/she is a regular and not a one time poster. Don't send personal check, send money order! Make concact on the phone (you call them and check the number) and don't send anything to a P.O. Box!! Get a physical address. Just my two cents. 
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No offense taken Warddog. I agree with you. There has to be trust by both parties or you have no transaction.
I have to use a P.O. Box # because, I live in a small town and get my mail at the Post Office.
I personally believe that there are far more good honest people out there than dishonest ones. I have personally met and talked to a lot of fine beagling folks from all over the world.
I have to use a P.O. Box # because, I live in a small town and get my mail at the Post Office.
I personally believe that there are far more good honest people out there than dishonest ones. I have personally met and talked to a lot of fine beagling folks from all over the world.
They tell me that I am too trusting. I have only been burnt once, but I would still do the same thing all over again. I have sold several hound with people paying me within a certain amount time and so far everything has turned out okay. I hold the papers until I get the rest of the money. I am sure I am setting myself up for the elevator again but that is just the way I do business and they are the ones that have to live with themselves. I just sold a pup not too long ago to a 16 year old up in IN and he didn't have all the money, so he is suppose to send me the rest by August when he has worked this summer and saved it up. I think he will come thru as I have heard back from him and he is crazy about the pup. I do not ship my pups, nor do I take a deposit. When they come to pick up the pup they can back out of the deal right then. I would not want anyone taking a pup who was not satisfied with it. They have 9 wks to pic up the pup from birth. After that I will got ahead and sell it to someone else unless they come up with a good excuse. I learned this lesson the hard way too. Had someone want a pup but would drive within 30 miles going to a horse ride and not have time to stop in and pick up the pup. Afer 4 months I got the feeling that they thought all I had to do with take care of a pup for them which means more shots, socialization, wormings and I have my pups in the pen by then. And a single pup is not a happy pup. So, I won't do that again.
I will continue to trust and treat others as I would want to be treated. I realize that sometimes I will come out on the short end but that is okay too. Cause I have faith that there are more good people out there than there are bad and if I loose some $$$ every once in awhile I still have that faith.
I will continue to trust and treat others as I would want to be treated. I realize that sometimes I will come out on the short end but that is okay too. Cause I have faith that there are more good people out there than there are bad and if I loose some $$$ every once in awhile I still have that faith.
I'm like most here.I only raise a litter of pups when I need or want some.Or my brothers or hunting friends want some.I sell the extras.
I like Oakhill have sold to youngins.I've sold $200 pups, beagles and coon hound,for way less to local kids.Some helped me build fence when I had cattle and got their $50 - $60 dollar pups digging post holes and stretching wire.But they dug the holes first.SOme worked for ther Dad's to earn the money.It's like giving a kid a car for free.They will tear it up mostly cause they have no sweat involved in the deal.Lots of people especially young people nowdays want instant gratification.
I treat people like I want to be treated.Ain't worth doing it any other way.BUT the days of letting a pup go to a stranger on a " I'll gladly pay you friday week" are over.I've rode that elevator one time to many.
Hunt6 David P.
I like Oakhill have sold to youngins.I've sold $200 pups, beagles and coon hound,for way less to local kids.Some helped me build fence when I had cattle and got their $50 - $60 dollar pups digging post holes and stretching wire.But they dug the holes first.SOme worked for ther Dad's to earn the money.It's like giving a kid a car for free.They will tear it up mostly cause they have no sweat involved in the deal.Lots of people especially young people nowdays want instant gratification.
I treat people like I want to be treated.Ain't worth doing it any other way.BUT the days of letting a pup go to a stranger on a " I'll gladly pay you friday week" are over.I've rode that elevator one time to many.
Hunt6 David P.
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Spruce Ridge Beagler
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Great topic wardog! There is awell known stud dog advertised in the American Beagler. I sent this guy 150.$ deposit for two pups,six months later i still had no pups and he would't take my calls anymore. I was at a buddies house in a different area code so we decided to call,his wife answered and of course he wasn't there,right!! I told his wife that if i didn't have two pups or my money in two days that iwould take my own ad out in the beagling mags and expose him then hung up.
The guy called my buddies house five minutes later(caller ID) and said my check would be in his mailbox that day. Wardog it's too bad that a guy has to go to those extremes but you are absolutely right,it flat out works!!
The guy called my buddies house five minutes later(caller ID) and said my check would be in his mailbox that day. Wardog it's too bad that a guy has to go to those extremes but you are absolutely right,it flat out works!!
this mite be a little off subject but what Hunt6 said reminds me of what my dad always tells me...he says that when i save a bunch of money up for a new gun or something that is hunting related he always asks me right before i buy if it is exactly wat i want because i could buy alot of other things with my hard earned money and once its gone its gone. Sometimes i wish i would have listened to him because hes got more experience and knows wat he is talkin about. When i wanted to get into dogs he made sure it was wat i wanted to do then he supports my decision. Everything hunting item that i have i have bought myself except for my first shotgun. he got it for my birthday and on the way home from the gun shop he looked at me and said youre on your own now, u want something you will get it yourself and he has stood behind wat he said that day. I have bought every dog i have paid all my vet bills and bought everything for my dogs. im kinda in debt now but wat he has done has definately taught me a lesson. You better be 100% sure that what you are about to buy is EXACTLY what you want because once you spend your money it's gone. Im not real sure what this has to do with being honest but what hunt6 said about kids taking things for granted made me think of my dad and what he has taught me. I dont take too much stuff for granted anymore. Sorry for the long post that is really kind of off subject but i thought this was as good a place as any for it....keith
Nice post Keith and my hats off to your Dad. Seems like ole Dad has just taught you responsibility and you didn't even know it. He's taught you that YOU are responsible for YOUR decisions and no excuse on this earth is going to change the fact that YOU are going to have to live with every one YOU make. Yes, it's funny how knowledge comes with age and ole Dad's pretty smart, ain't he? My hats off to you too as it looks like your well on your way to being a responsible young man. I wish you many, many years of happy trails with your beagles.
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Hilltop Kennels
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lol....hilltop i thought about you today when i took speedy out for a run. i think i have him almost broke...seen a deer run across and open field today when i was running him...he got on a hard check on the rabbit and ended up losing him so i walked over the deer trail to another spot to run another rabbit he paused for a second on the trail picked his head up and ran towards me. (almost like he knew lol) he only chased one and got shocked and hasnt touched one since. i am pretty busy with soccer and working on the farm but as soon as i get some free time i will give you a holler....keith
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if you go to a store and you buy something then you are going to pay for it before you leave, now there are some exceptions but for the most part that is how it works so I personaly see no reason for it to be any different in buying dogs and if I ever have any for sale then you will pay for it before it leaves here, unless I know you.