Breaking from running deer
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Joe, it is plain to me ( and mosr others on this board) that you are standing mostly alone in your ideas of how to break a dog off deer. I have hunted and trained dog most of my life and I am now 60 yrs. old. and my father was a hunter and a houndsman also. I have used your method (shaking or whipping) on dogs and I have seen others try this also. It works sometimes and sometimes it does not work. I know for a fact that an e-collar will work in most cases, and I have seen it work many times. it is proven method, that if used correctly, will do wonders with a hard headed dog and is used by most serious hunters and trainers. I coon hunted many years and I had to use my collar very little and the same with my beagles, I have used it only once or twice on a low setting to teach my dog to come in when called. The collar has many good uses and I would not be without one. I am too old to try to run down a deer dog and give it a whipping!
Last edited by Richard on Thu Jun 26, 2003 1:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Stony Branch:
Quit picking on Swing.He cant help using them words.and he is trying to get a clue.
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I think Joe West's way is the best way to break a dog.That is just my opinion.Is it the way I use?No.I use the electonic training collars because they are more efficient for me.I also realize that efficient doesnt always mean best.I am just too darn fat to chase down a deer dog.
The lines I run are not as tractable as Joe's stuff.I could make them that way if I wanted to with a shock collar.No great skill needed there.
Why anybody would take this stuff as personally as some of you guys do I have no idea.I was taught a long time ago by the best beagler I know to feed what you like and do as you like as long as you arent infringing on others.I wish all the folks on both sides the best with their dogs.Thanks
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
Quit picking on Swing.He cant help using them words.and he is trying to get a clue.
Concerning this thread:
I think Joe West's way is the best way to break a dog.That is just my opinion.Is it the way I use?No.I use the electonic training collars because they are more efficient for me.I also realize that efficient doesnt always mean best.I am just too darn fat to chase down a deer dog.
The lines I run are not as tractable as Joe's stuff.I could make them that way if I wanted to with a shock collar.No great skill needed there.
Why anybody would take this stuff as personally as some of you guys do I have no idea.I was taught a long time ago by the best beagler I know to feed what you like and do as you like as long as you arent infringing on others.I wish all the folks on both sides the best with their dogs.Thanks
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
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Robert W. Mccoy Jr
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Joe
I don't try to break dog's that do not yet know they have to come to me after being shocked.
I simply train them when there young by calling them and giving them a light nick if they don't come when called.
Usually though dog's that I raise from pup's come to me instantly the minute there shocked no matter how light of a nick it was.
I'm not sure why they figure I am the safe palce but they do.
I assume it's because I'm the one who feeds them and they have bonded to me.
I simply train them when there young by calling them and giving them a light nick if they don't come when called.
Usually though dog's that I raise from pup's come to me instantly the minute there shocked no matter how light of a nick it was.
I'm not sure why they figure I am the safe palce but they do.
I assume it's because I'm the one who feeds them and they have bonded to me.
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Not if used correctly Joe, don't you get it yet. Are your dogs so shy and timid that they can't take a shock and not be ruined. Also the excuse you used about none of your dogs making FC's is a lame one at best. Good dogs are good dogs and some of any strain will trail and win in some format. Don't say much for your's!!!!!!!!
Stoney branch kennels: If you read a speed reading book it would have taken you a month. And I got some bad news for you a speed reading book isn't one that says. "See spot run, run spot run, spot runs fast." And quit complaining that you went to school stupid and came out the same way. No wonder you use a shock collar. If it's more complicated then pushing a button your bound to get messed up. Swing there tells me that you are having a heck of a time figureing out the new fangled ones with more then one button on them. I understand that in the beggining you really didn't like the shock collars until somebody took you by the hand and told you that the collar goes on the dog and not on you. Word was folks took to calling you curly for a while thinking you got a new permanent wave hair do. Glad you got that whole mess straightened out and I hear you just got a slight twitch left and most of the other stuff cleared up all by itself.
Phillip you maroon. Any darn fool knows that to get a tittle at field trials you got to enter the hound in some first. Well at least around here they do where you are it might be different. What ya do go to the same school as pebble twig there or something. swing there tells me your dogs blow some of the nicest biggest holes in the ground he's ever seen. he tells me that he had some of the nicest field champion dogs around and won just about everything there was at the trials till you came along and your hound actually did go backwards which was a darn sight better then his that mearly flopped around on the ground some so I guess you probably have lots of them there field champeen dogs. Swing there says you were able to teach them all of that there field trialen stuff like floppen around on the ground, real quick with your shock collar but soemhow you figured a way to actually make them walk backwards while just a squellen and a yellen like all get out. Swing says that made you everyones hero. He said that your dogs are cross eyed but it ain't got nothing to do with the shock collar, they was born that way so I just shouldn't say anything about that on account of folks thinken you really are related to your hounds just cause you're cross eyed too. swing says there is nothing to them nasty rumers about a new inbreeding program you invented. But your secret is out and now all of us can take and mess our hounds up real good and make them into "dogs" just like yours. Won't be able to hunt with them no more but we'll have us some pretty ribbons to hang on the wall.
Phillip you maroon. Any darn fool knows that to get a tittle at field trials you got to enter the hound in some first. Well at least around here they do where you are it might be different. What ya do go to the same school as pebble twig there or something. swing there tells me your dogs blow some of the nicest biggest holes in the ground he's ever seen. he tells me that he had some of the nicest field champion dogs around and won just about everything there was at the trials till you came along and your hound actually did go backwards which was a darn sight better then his that mearly flopped around on the ground some so I guess you probably have lots of them there field champeen dogs. Swing there says you were able to teach them all of that there field trialen stuff like floppen around on the ground, real quick with your shock collar but soemhow you figured a way to actually make them walk backwards while just a squellen and a yellen like all get out. Swing says that made you everyones hero. He said that your dogs are cross eyed but it ain't got nothing to do with the shock collar, they was born that way so I just shouldn't say anything about that on account of folks thinken you really are related to your hounds just cause you're cross eyed too. swing says there is nothing to them nasty rumers about a new inbreeding program you invented. But your secret is out and now all of us can take and mess our hounds up real good and make them into "dogs" just like yours. Won't be able to hunt with them no more but we'll have us some pretty ribbons to hang on the wall.
Hey guys that was fun. I guess I kind of like disrespecten you to. But seriously you guys really aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. Beagles really are complex. I understand now that swing has filled me in about everyone that beagles might be just a bit too complex for ya. So naturally someone came up with a way to allow all of you to participate in the sport of beagleing. Teaching a hound to come when called or to understand what the word no means kept you guys out of the sport for a long time till someone finally invented a way that you didn't have to think at all you just needed to learn to push a button. I understand it wasn't easy but you guys finally got it down pat and can push the button real good now. So I guess I owe your dogs an appology. All this time I thought you were useing the shock collar because your dogs were too stupid to learn what they were supposed to do. I was wrong. Anyway I'm glad you all got your shock collar because otherwise you wouldn't be able to train hounds at all. You all ever think of breeding hounds as stupid as you? oh never mind Phillips been trying that.
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Joe old buddie i think you missed your medication agian.
Did you have a bad day at work agian or something.
Did'nt you say you was a garbage collector, Well i hate to be the one to tell you but joe you are putting more of it in your mouth than you can swallow, What you have said in your last post is more garbage coming out of someone mouth than i have ever heard.
I use to think you were just a little confused but now i know you are a complete idiot.
I heard you willed your brain to scientific study but they rejected it cause they could not find a jar small enough to put it in. You need help Mr. Joe dumoss.
Did you have a bad day at work agian or something.
Did'nt you say you was a garbage collector, Well i hate to be the one to tell you but joe you are putting more of it in your mouth than you can swallow, What you have said in your last post is more garbage coming out of someone mouth than i have ever heard.
I use to think you were just a little confused but now i know you are a complete idiot.
I heard you willed your brain to scientific study but they rejected it cause they could not find a jar small enough to put it in. You need help Mr. Joe dumoss.
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Joe old buddie i think you missed your medication agian.
Did you have a bad day at work agian or something.
Did'nt you say you was a garbage collector, Well i hate to be the one to tell you but joe you are putting more of it in your mouth than you can swallow, What you have said in your last post is more garbage coming out of someone mouth than i have ever heard.
I use to think you were just a little confused but now i know you are a complete idiot.
I heard you willed your brain to scientific study but they rejected it cause they could not find a jar small enough to put it in. You need help Mr. Joe dumoss.
Did you have a bad day at work agian or something.
Did'nt you say you was a garbage collector, Well i hate to be the one to tell you but joe you are putting more of it in your mouth than you can swallow, What you have said in your last post is more garbage coming out of someone mouth than i have ever heard.
I use to think you were just a little confused but now i know you are a complete idiot.
I heard you willed your brain to scientific study but they rejected it cause they could not find a jar small enough to put it in. You need help Mr. Joe dumoss.