Brankos Beagles

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:03 am

Hey farwest why dont you tell us how you really fill? even though you are 110 percent right . Bottom line i aint got a kennel full of em . But they have forged a path thru the competetion world , this ol world is full of haters, which dogs usally suck anyway so who cares what the naysayers
think . There jealous get a life and probaly a dog too , Branko will sell ya one .

Rock Bottom · Post by **Rock Bottom** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:35 am

I would not give a single dollar for a whole truck load of them!!!!!!!
I gave them more than a fair chance and they failed in every area of every deal. The dogs and the people.......

gus · Post by **gus** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:29 am

Interesting conversation. There was a well known beagler, now deceased, who had a reputaion as well. I read several times in various beagling magazines that Mr Bill Scott from West Virginaia never sold a pup. If someone wanted a pup he gave it to them. I happened to run into Mr Scott at Cohutta SPO liscensed trial and we talkd for a while. I asked him if I could buy a pup from him. He replied, I have a litter of five in my basement by Joe Scott, if you will drive up you can have the entire litter.
Follow the money.

"I would not give a single dollar for a whole truck load of them!!!!!!! "

When the Branko name started appearing in the trials I was curious so I decided to breed to one of the wonder dogs. I picked out a couple names of Alababa males that I saw placing in the Mid West Association trials and drove up to see what I was missing. I drove up arriving about an hour after the first pack was run. I walked up introduced myself and told the firendly beaglers what dog I was interested in. One guy spoke up and told me the dog had been picked up for being too mouthy. I checked his name off and went to my second choice. I followed the pack to the field and watched. Soon a rabbit was jumped in the thick cover and made a small circle. He then crossed a field about a hundred yards wide in clear sight of the gallery. Immediately opon hitting the open area the race broke down and the hounds scattered. I kept my eye on the Alaba male to see his actions. He came out of the rough, picked his head up and just stood looking first to the right and then the left as if to see if another dog would show signs of picking the check. It seemed aboout thirty seconds although I'm sure it was less. I marked anothe off my list.
Interestingly both those hounds went on to Make Field Champions.

Follow the money! Run what you like.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:43 am

Pretty neat story gus . What line did you decide on? I heard from a well respected beagler in the akc . He judged heli-prop . He said he was the most relentless male he ever witnessed run a rabbit . Its kinda strange the first branko bred hound i ever seen was probaly about 1990 or 1991
at the time grade hounds were all i trialed , he was ruff but very efficent
good on checks and very fast . It kinda

me . But there is good and bad in all . He made it now hes got it , my hats are off to him and his wife . I have a splash of there blood but not thru and thru.

sav · Post by **sav** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:44 am

So Gus are you saying that your experiences are a good indication of what all Branko dogs are like? How then would you account for all the wins this line has earned? I guess the Branko line is the only line who has culls, you would never see a Patch, Boldstroke, Northway, Bramlett do anything wrong they are always perfect?

What about the owner/handlers of the dogs, why do they never get singled out as the problem? It's easier to blame the breeder for whats going on with "their" dogs, even if that dog lives in another country. The only other "breed" I know that gets painted with the same brush are Men; all men are skirt chasin dogs and all Branko's are hyped up pot lickers.

Gbeagle · Post by **Gbeagle** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:08 am

What about the owner/handlers of the dogs, why do they never get singled out as the problem? It's easier to blame the breeder for whats going on with "their" dogs, even if that dog lives in another country. The only other "breed" I know that gets painted with the same brush are Men; all men are skirt chasin dogs and all Branko's are hyped up pot lickers.

LOL you are right Sav

It just never ceases to amaze me how folks will get on here and run down another person or there dogs or what they are producing . If you don't like em you don't have to feed nor do you have to talk about them . Have run across more than one dog that don't suite me but I'm not going to set up here and run em down because they ain't what I like . I just don't understand how you can condemn a whole line of dogs based on the actions of 1 or 2 ,or what you have heard about them .

L.J. McKenzie · Post by **L.J. McKenzie** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:56 pm

not to change the subject. Just wondering if danny found a dog yet.

gus · Post by **gus** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:35 pm

[quote="sav"]So Gus are you saying that your experiences are a good indication of what all Branko dogs are like? How then would you account for all the wins this line has earned?

Sav did you miss the line that said both of those dogs made Field Champion. I'm not knocking all Branko bred hounds. I'm just pointing out some of the traits that I saw did not suit me. I'm sure, judging from reports from beaglers that I respect that there are many good Branko bred dogs. Obviously they make a lot of beaglers happy. I'm not here to report what "they say" only what I have seen.

To answer the other question, I didn't settle on a line. The dogs in my kennel have a little Granppy, Mississippi Homer, Kalagha, and way back some Wingates Brandon, Pearson Creek, Gay, and Sunkenland Sparkey. I'm sure we all will tolerate different faults in a dog. If he is a great jump dog I will cut him some slack. However, a dog that is mouthy, won't hit the brush, or one that watches the other dogs and will not work a check has a short life span here.

SMITTY1233 · Post by **SMITTY1233** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:56 pm

Holy cow look what I've missed. If they had nothing, were nothing, couldn't sell anything etc, there wouldn't be a whole lot to argue about now would there?

I am fairly new to the trialing world but have had grade dogs my whole life. When I say new I mean less than 5 years of having registered dogs and knowing what the hell actually was going on. During the last few years I have researched several several lines and watched numerous dogs run. I have access to land in MI that doens't close during the quiet period. I would say I run almost as much as anyone else does around here. I have never turned someone down from brining a hound over, I have seen Bramlett, Branko, Shadycreek, Ranger Dan, Granppy, and so on.... I have yet to see a dog come out weather gunning or fun running and run perfectly.... I have seen a lot of nice dogs and a lot of dogs that have made me say I would be proud to own that hound...... There are good and bad in every line.... Tell me of a hound that didn't have a fault and I will tell you of a houndsmen that is full of B.S. They all have them, some have way fewer than others and some of more tolerable than some..... I started our kennel on dogs that had branko generations back in their pedigree some might call them line bred Jack of All trades but loosely line bred.... I don't call these Branko dogs because Branko and Frieda didn't breed them.... I call them by the kennel name of where I got them, they bred the litter, raised them and were nice enough to sell them to me... However to not look back in the pedigree and say some of the dogs behind them didn't have any influence is crazy!!! Beagline is kind of like a pyrmid beaglers come and beaglers go some have big impacts some small.... But the hounds stay, the bloodlines continue and new ones form.... Usually at the work of someone elses hands.... Most times lines are started by putting the finishing touches of what you like into someone elses work. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you are smart enough to look back and recognize the fact that someone else influenced you as well.... I have never spoke to the Krpans once, but I bet if you called and wanted to know how they got started there would be a story of how they took the work of somone else and turned it into what they have today..... Don't be afraid to take credit for your line of dogs or what you run because you should... You raise, feed, condition, hunt, trial those dogs and you should be proud of them. Just don't be too stupid to realize the importance of others work in this great sport.... Weather you like them or hate them they have an impact, they have done a great deal and are still doing a great deal to better our sport. Funny thing is for every horror story you hear you get two or three that are totally happy and satisfied with their service and dealings with Branko.... SO THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A BRANKO POST JUST SAY THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE SPORT WEATHER YOU LIKE THEM OR HATE THEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO TAKES A LOT OF WORK

TC · Post by TC » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:45 pm

SO THE NEXT TIME WE HAVE A BRANKO POST JUST SAY THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND DEDICATION TO THE SPORT WEATHER YOU LIKE THEM OR HATE THEM BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO TAKES A LOT OF WORK

Hear!!! Hear!!!

smithbros.1 · Post by **smithbros.1** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:51 pm

While this post was running.....Danny bought a pup, started it, broke it, soloed it for weeks, finished it & is currently campaining it to IFC.

Brankos hounds...Love'em or hate them, I just don't see them gone anytime soon

copperking · Post by **copperking** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:32 pm

I think his hounds are crap and have been over talked about. Most of hhis dogs that are feild champs are taken to every trial known to man so once and a while they have to win. i have hunted with branko hounds and notice the lack of hunt and ease to quiit on a track. I love branko free ped its more money in my pocket when the dog really run's

beerdrinking bob · Post by **beerdrinking bob** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:12 pm

copperking sounds like your a fan of coyote hunter. i think you will find a few duds with brankos name on them because of all the dogs that they produce. i also think that alot of dogs in the u.s. have been bred by us here in the u.s. and use brankos name and the pedigree just to help get recognition. their are alot of dogs people call branko dogs because they have branko in the pedigree 3 -5 generations back. how do you know that the quit or lack of hunt isnt coming from something closer in the pedigree

Post by **Bev** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:47 pm

Smitty1223,

Wordy McWord with a side of Word and a tall Word with a straw. Dead-on post. Kudos.

I LOVE the way people toss around the term "Branko hounds" when maybe 5% of the people posting on this topic has ever owned or bought a hound directly from the Krpans.

Because it can't be said enough, the first time a hound from the Krpans is bred to something out of their kennel, it no longer becomes a "Branko" hound.

It's amazing to me that people cannot see this. The same is true for any bloodline. Pedigrees, people, pedigrees. Learn how to read them. Learn how to research them. That's why pedigrees are recorded. Notice that most of those that are run here in the states that have Branko bloodlines in there probably have at a minumum 3/4 of Joe Blow's bloodline mixed in there as well. How many occurances of a direct Branko bred hound are there in the pedigrees of the hounds you are all so willing to criticize? Many tend to overlook the 24 other hounds in a pedigree and focus their eyes instead on the 6 that have the name "Branko" in front of it.

While we're at it, consider the last litter of anything you bred yourself. Let's compare that litter to the Krpan's whole breeding program. what was the percentage of your litter that finished to FC, Rch, HBCH, etc.? Did they all finish? Were they all world beaters? There wasn't a cull in the lot?

...and to judge an entire bloodline on one day at a trial where 2 dogs out of said bloodline ran... I cannot wrap my mind around this. No offense, but I have to give a family of dogs a LOT of consideration, some breedings of my own, more proof than that to discard them - and still I don't think I would bash them because one man's trash is another man's treasure.

hardtack · Post by **hardtack** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:03 pm