BEST STUD!!!! TODAY.

[Lone Pine Beagles]

NEK Tipper Mack

[Double E Kennels]

Best stud dog , I ever owned was only a ARHA Rch.( Near Grand ) Satsuma buck. HE was just a good hound nothing flashy He is the Sire to AKC FC, ARHA Grch, UKC HB CH Double E Stone Cold Mack, ARHA GrCh Double E Peaches & Cream , Rch Dixie Line Gator, Dual Ch Double E Barbie, FC Hammer on Eight Ball Near FC Satsuma Ellen ( 2 Wins before she died) Near Dual Ch Double E Stretch ( Killed by Rattle snake at 13 mo old ) Near Rch Double E Cruise Control ( Needed 10 pts at 11 mo old and got killed ) Double E Shine ( Never trial in assoc trails ) Won few thousand in the south Louisiana large pack trials money hunts. They were several more of his pups were as equally as good but the people who bought them never trialed them His grand pups include AKC FC Nash's Squirt Southern Large Pack 13" bitch class HOY , Better Beagleing's outstanding pack hound of the year 13" bitch , IBHF 13 " bitch class winner , IBHF Ch of Champions ( Produced LPFCH Satsuma Slim Jim ) , FC Satsuma Peaches IBHF Champion of Champions trial. The sad thing is Buck died at 3 yo from a Rattlesnake bite. Breeding is a trial and Error thing. One cross can make people or hounds famous. Accidental breeding has produced some of the most famous crosses. You increase your chances by breeding good rabbit hounds to good rabbit hounds or ones with same quailities or quailities that you feel your female needs to improve. Most of my crosses on Buck was to the same female Sangamon Ridge Fredericka who was out of HOF Grch Sangamon Ridge Lady. I made the mistake of breeding Fredericka off of Buck once to a male that was a AKC FC and flashy and everyone was talking about and just got decent Rabbit hounds one made Rch . I learned my lesson and now I do not breed to HYPED hounds or Titled hounds. IF I am going to breed to one I WILL watch him run or talk to someone I really trust their opinion of how he runs. Just my 2 cents .......Keep em Running

[WELLS WOODS]

What makes the best studs are the ones that get bred to the best females. Looks like bitches like Green Bay Blue Bay can put a stud dog on the map. Just about every pup she throws is FC quality. Prime Time was Top Sire for 4 years & I give the credit to the bitches bred to him. Most great Reggie offspring have top notch mothers also. When I look for a stud, I also look at how good their dam was. Time's dam, Moon Pie was awesome; Oliver's dam was loaded with the best breeding from Northern Michigan; Greenbay Shooter's dam was Top Dam for years & the best bitch Kieth Weyers used for breeding. Pinnacle Hill Sport had Tango as a mother; she was super. Most of the late greats had famous dam's also; Jack of All Trades (Dingus mother), Blue Ninja ( Birch Haven Bruiser), Haunted Hill Shaker ( Branko's Big Sam & Heli- Prop littermate dam & so on.......... Don't forget the dam of every hound is important. Dino has an Ali-Baba mother, Lucky has a Prime Time dam, Nighttrain had a Jigs mother, Gator had a Heli-Prop dam, etc. etc,

[Double E Kennels]

Agreed Greg !! I was trying not to give out all of the breeding secrets, not that it matters no one ever listens .. lol

[BCBeagles]

Evaluate the females when they come to breed or before for that matter.

That is the stud owners choice. Eliminates the tire kickers and reinforces confidently that someone has a quality bitch for your hound. They don't want to show me there female in the woods, with whatever they like, they won't breed to anything I have....

Females......the rise and potential fall of ANY stud out there! Think all these studs available to any bitch that will stand have bred JUNK?? You know it!!

[didion419]

I agree 100% Why breed even to a half way good bitch You want to have the odds in your favor to get what your looking for Even then you might get one or two out of the litter you reely like

[S.R.Patch]

I would think the best stud of today would stamp the majority of the pups with quality equal or better than himself (pre-potency), all in a defined and general manner.
People breed to a hound to get improvement and overall quality in the offspring where their bitch is lacking or hopefully, to complement their bitch in her completeness as a hunter and overall soundness.
A stud becomes known for this ability when bred to variety of bitches. Gray's Linesman comes to mind, the ability to stamp likeness in the pups, when watching the hounds, you could pick out the offspring by their look and style of work.
Some will blend better but most all should show improvement from the sires weight in the pedigree. The weight of the sires ability to produce comes from his pedigree.
Always reminds me of when Tom Dornin told the story about his Little Ireland hounds. Blending the conformation of the dog and the deadly hunt of the bitch got him his family of hounds, one didn't interfere with the other on getting the two qualities he desired together in one package. Some hounds can be dominant in one area and passive in another, not interfering or detracting from the other mates quality being transferred to puppies.
Not every hound can be a champeen and not every hound can be a producer of champeens, but really, most often the two have little to do with each other. The two roads may parallel each other and cross or join when a common gap is reached in passing. The more common the crossings and joining becomes the more alike the two roads are and the thicker the blacktop becomes with their overlapping.
This road work is what you have to do to build consistency and the ability to reproduce it. This is what i look for in breeding stock. jmho

[littlewoody]

NEK Tipper Mack

I read some good things about Mack some where .

[John-PA]

Greg, that was one of the best responses I've ever seen on this board.

[outrider66]

I think S.R. Patch nailed it with his first sentence ! A truly pre potent sire will stamp the majority of his offspring when bred to a varitiy of females not just the cherry picked crosses
theres alot of instant stud dogs out there that people go out and buy and advertise but they dont even know what they are throwing in there pups ! can they even reproduce
themselves ?? who knows !i think a responsable stud owner should breed to a varitiy of females and see what the stud can stamp on his pups before ever considering him as
being offered at public stud for a fee. he might be the best of the best but not be a reproducer ! if you breed a just an average female to a truly pre potent sire you should
see an improvement in what you have! njmo You can breed your just average female to a junk reproducing field champion ! imo theres too much worry about the females that
get bred to unproven studs ! when the female may be more worthy than the unproven stud to begin with !

[BCBeagles]

Why would anyone want pups out of average females.....if they are not top performers in the field I don't want pups out of them, period...

My thoughts only.....I don't like rolling the dice....I will take my chances with the best to the best.....others chose different paths and that is fine, to each there own. What if the "top" stud is bred to the "top" female? There is a chance the pups may be better than either of them....I like the possibilities...

The untitled reproducer...gets better with every follower....the titled stellar star....can't reproduce his own likeness..remember what you are comparing there offspring to. Respectfully, some chose the path with what they are exposed to,"the home town stud", "the best around here" others go out and view the options available. Some times the best dogs aren't the ones you have seen in your back yard. Get out and see dogs so you can know, in your own opinion, what is the "best" out there. Get humbled by hounds better than yours and you may see things differently.

For sure NOT all titled hounds are reproducers...same can be said for untitled, unfinished, the one that "could have finished if trialed", I just like knowing a hound has gotten it done under the scrutiny of others. IFC, FC, and the others in respective registries makes them a performer at whatever style you find appealing. I will take my chances breeding to the best.
Again simply my opinions.

Good running to all!!

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

I agree it takes a good reproducing female to help a good reproducing male to make the percents of having a better litter higher. However there has been top of the line females bred to top of the line males and produced garbage. I think breeding is such a crap shoot that you just never know what you will get. For instance bred the same female to the same male twice with two different results one litter was on average way better than the other. So it's a lot like playing poker if you play the odds instead of you're cards you will win big more often but sometimes you still lose.

[warddog]

I would think the best stud of today would stamp the majority of the pups with quality equal or better than himself (pre-potency), all in a defined and general manner.
People breed to a hound to get improvement and overall quality in the offspring where their bitch is lacking or hopefully, to complement their bitch in her completeness as a hunter and overall soundness.
A stud becomes known for this ability when bred to variety of bitches. Gray's Linesman comes to mind, the ability to stamp likeness in the pups, when watching the hounds, you could pick out the offspring by their look and style of work.
Some will blend better but most all should show improvement from the sires weight in the pedigree. The weight of the sires ability to produce comes from his pedigree.
Always reminds me of when Tom Dornin told the story about his Little Ireland hounds. Blending the conformation of the dog and the deadly hunt of the bitch got him his family of hounds, one didn't interfere with the other on getting the two qualities he desired together in one package. Some hounds can be dominant in one area and passive in another, not interfering or detracting from the other mates quality being transferred to puppies.
Not every hound can be a champeen and not every hound can be a producer of champeens, but really, most often the two have little to do with each other. The two roads may parallel each other and cross or join when a common gap is reached in passing. The more common the crossings and joining becomes the more alike the two roads are and the thicker the blacktop becomes with their overlapping.
This road work is what you have to do to build consistency and the ability to reproduce it. This is what i look for in breeding stock. jmho

I believe that SR Patch nailed this one to a "T" as I have witnessed many, many breeding's of hounds over my 60 years and have seen best to best, good to good and then I have even seen mistakes of poor to poorer or grade dogs that the ancestry was completely unknown. I will say that in each of these the same things have happened, the lever of the one armed bandit was pulled and the fruits of mother nature aligned themselves how she saw fit. NOW, when several crosses were made upon a good male and several differing females that showed the same traits consistently then IMHO that shows the vigor of the male's genetics. Green Bay Shooter comes to mind as he stamped his likeness in many pups from many different females. One of the best, bar none, rabbit dogs I have ever owned came from a fox terrier/beagle cross. This same cross was made for several years and the offspring were consistently rabbit dogs and they guy that made the cross had a waiting list for pups from it. A prime example of how the genes lined up and 99.9% of the people would NEVER have made the cross to begin with and neither did the owner as it was originally one of those mistakes that just clicked but produced many a fine rabbit dogs over several years.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

S.R.Patch
Good well thought out post!!!

[outrider66]

I have females sired by ifc and fc . they are good rabbit dogs that can be run with others and do there fair share or can be hunted alone and produce game. i concider them to
be just average females. to me the " BEST" would be a female that hands everything shes ran against a good solid whoopin ! and even then she may not be able to reproduce
as good as the just "average " females. these kind of females probably make up the backbone of the breed lets face it the biggest beagle breeders out there dont have a
kennel full of the " BEST " but has good ones!breeding the best in your yard to the best in your yard is the way to go but then it is a gamble still until you come up with
proven crosses! Another challenge when evaluating a stud dogs reproducing ability is gettin the pups into the hands of people who will run them hard. so you can see what
or if the stud is stamping his traits onto his offspring ! it takes time to prove a dog. but when bred to those " just average " good solid females he should reproduce as good
or better then himself