AKC or ARHA first for meat dogs?

[Big Mike]

Meat dog ? I've heard this term used many times in the coonhound arena, but never in beagles. I've only been at this beagle stuff a little over 50 years, so I know i still have a lot to learn. As I read the above posts, it appears a "meat dog" is any beagle that isn't AKC registered, aka grade dog? Exactly what is a meat dog in the beagle world?

[rabbitearl]

No that's not it Mike.Theres about 90 percent of guys that comes to my place to run dogs and most are AKC dogs.These guys never hunt and I would have to say a rabbit has never been kill over the dogs.They can really run a rabbit but there are not meat dogs.Meat dogs are dogs that love to hear a gun go off and look to find the rabbit with blood.I know it hard to see but there are different in meat dogs and just pleasure dogs.

[Big Mike]

Thanks for the clarification,,,never to old to learn

[gwyoung]

Meathound, another one of those subjective terms relating to hounds. Meathounds around here are faulty hounds that the owners recognize the faults , know they are there but tries to make excuses for the hound because it gets the rabbit back around to the gun, ( before you say that is all that matters, fine I am glad that is how you see a dog and the fact that one that does it right is not any better to you than one that shoots it's mouth off, over-runs 50 yards at every turn, Skirts, and circles 75 yards out in front at every check makes me glad you are not the one that set the standard it also tells me your hounds are probably the mouthy swinging type, speaking of the locals here) Getting back to getting the rabbit back to the gun with these "meathounds" , Solo them on rabbits and most rabbits are not going to be coming back! ( Definition of meathound around here , - Far less than trial quality,Rough faulty hound, throw two or three of them together and you may kill some rabbits, it is going to be ugly. , ) When I go hunting my sole objective is not to kill rabbits anyway I can ,I enjoy a good chase performed by good hounds it makes the outing so much more enjoyable, If I just want to hear dogs barking and then kill the rabbit, I would just tape record some barking and jump shoot the rabbit, be far more enjoyable to me than watching this rough, swinging, skirting over-run the check by 50 yards circling to find him dogs. Meathound, = Extremely faulty hound. Now these meat hounds do seem to do well in some formats and registries.

[Lee Cockman]

AKC Midwest dogs are meat dogs. Earl you need to get out of NC some. There is dogs that can run a rabbit just like the AKC rule books says.

With intent to catch!

Not hope he dies for them to catch! Not throwing off on any ones dogs. Run what you like. I thank for a lot of people that has never driven a Mustang or any other sports car. You have only driven a VW they really do not no what a rabbit dog is. I am not saying you can not kill rabbits in front of those VW but man it sure is nice to have the right tool for the job. You can drive a nail with a hammer. But you can drive lots of nails with a nail gun. When using a nail gun once and while there is problems it shoots a nail out the side of the board. But look at how many nails you can drive before you can drive one with a hammer. JMHO

The AKC in NC is Brace no other way to describe it. A dog will get picked up for leaving the pack line does not matter. They can be on the line all they want but if they leave the pack they want them to pull back and wait on the pack. How many competitions do you know of that the lead has to slow down to run the line that the rest can not run? I gun Hunt first! Kill as many rabbits in NC as anyone. All I own is AKC dogs. AKC RABBIT DOGS that is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not saying my dogs are any good but man I sure get to eat a lot of rabbit

[bodetis]

Meathound, another one of those subjective terms relating to hounds. Meathounds around here are faulty hounds that the owners recognize the faults , know they are there but tries to make excuses for the hound because it gets the rabbit back around to the gun, ( before you say that is all that matters, fine I am glad that is how you see a dog and the fact that one that does it right is not any better to you than one that shoots it's mouth off, over-runs 50 yards at every turn, Skirts, and circles 75 yards out in front at every check makes me glad you are not the one that set the standard it also tells me your hounds are probably the mouthy swinging type, speaking of the locals here) Getting back to getting the rabbit back to the gun with these "meathounds" , Solo them on rabbits and most rabbits are not going to be coming back! ( Definition of meathound around here , - Far less than trial quality,Rough faulty hound, throw two or three of them together and you may kill some rabbits, it is going to be ugly. , ) When I go hunting my sole objective is not to kill rabbits anyway I can ,I enjoy a good chase performed by good hounds it makes the outing so much more enjoyable, If I just want to hear dogs barking and then kill the rabbit, I would just tape record some barking and jump shoot the rabbit, be far more enjoyable to me than watching this rough, swinging, skirting over-run the check by 50 yards circling to find him dogs. Meathound, = Extremely faulty hound. Now these meat hounds do seem to do well in some formats and registries.

you mention trial quality, i take it that there has never been any hounds that are over aggressive, swing,over run, big nose"little mouthy" large checks and lets just say absolutly no hunt at some of these pleasure running events. totally agree with what your saying about some meat dogs having faults/but very minor in comparison to what you explained. there are alot of people who trial that very seldom hunt ,wouldnt that in a way consider a dog not to be a meat hound. not attacking just asking!

[Alabama John]

Meat dog here is one that hunts hard for a rabbit, jumps it or goes to the dog that does and runs or swims the track around til its shot.

Means it doesn't mess up the other dogs hunting with it by cold trailing, or many other things that would mess them up, whether it knows them or not, goes to whatever dog that jumps one, and isn't gun shy and doesn't lie. Also is one you can turn loose in a strange place with lots of acreage and it will hunt with you, turn when you turn, and not go off on its own or run trash. Also will come when you call it to be put on a rabbit or to go home and not be fussy when you throw it in a box full of strange dogs.

All the other stuff like what lineage, color, size, which registration or none, doesn't matter at all.

Pretty simple.

[gwyoung]

Bodetis, You say you TAKE it that there has never been any of these faulty hounds at these pleasure running events ( trials) I didn't say that, actually I said the opposite, I said that some do well in some formats and registries, and yes some do also show up at trials that promote a good clean hound that doesn't look foolish at every turn, but they are quickly eliminated, as they should be and off they go in search of a forum or registery to champion their hound out in, and by golly there is something out there for them! ( So I guess they are trial quality after-all it is just that these ole boys around here do not know that they're trials that promote such faulty hounds ) As far as people who trial and don't hunt I wouldn't know if someone wanted to consider their hounds meathounds or not , I guess they could go either way they choose. I explained what the folks in my area consider a meathound and my opinion is the same as theirs. If someone tells me they have a good meathound for sale I know exactly what it is going to be.( see description in prior post)

[littlewoody]

I alway thought meat dogs were used for hunting like patch hounds.

[Will05]

I alway thought meat dogs were used for hunting like patch hounds.

I could be wrong on this one as i am only half way thru Willet's book but unless im reading it wrong he did not use his dogs to hunt. He bred dogs to be the best they could be and culled hard. He used his dogs to run in comp's and have a good time with friends listening to quality dogs work. I guess what im getting at is that you cant choose one blood line to describe any one type of dog because truth be told not all dogs from any blood line make FC's nor are all dogs out of a certain blood line not qaulity enough to make FC. My Patch pups are a perfect example one has great line control for her age and the other is a little sloppy. The only thing i think you could say about any specific line is that some lines tend to produce more of a certain qaulity but not that all dogs in that line are the same this is why people cull. Take patch for instance some guys have patch dogs that are a little slower with more line control others are super fast and sloppy but the one thing you will hear from all Patch owners is the Desire to Hunt and Search. I think there are some lines out there that produce alot of dogs with alot good qualities but no line can be considered one type of dog...JMO

[bodetis]

Bodetis, You say you TAKE it that there has never been any of these faulty hounds at these pleasure running events ( trials) I didn't say that, actually I said the opposite, I said that some do well in some formats and registries, and yes some do also show up at trials that promote a good clean hound that doesn't look foolish at every turn, but they are quickly eliminated, as they should be and off they go in search of a forum or registery to champion their hound out in, and by golly there is something out there for them! ( So I guess they are trial quality after-all it is just that these ole boys around here do not know that they're trials that promote such faulty hounds ) As far as people who trial and don't hunt I wouldn't know if someone wanted to consider their hounds meathounds or not , I guess they could go either way they choose. I explained what the folks in my area consider a meathound and my opinion is the same as theirs. If someone tells me they have a good meathound for sale I know exactly what it is going to be.( see description in prior post)

gw you mentioned around your area that meathounds around there were far less than trial quality, my question was have you not ever seen these type of hounds that were suppose to be trial quality.not someone entering their meat dog. sorry for the confusion. my point and again not to attack, but i have seen some of the same out of dogs that were suppose to be quality trial dogs. and some around here will even buy a trial dog someone culls only because its either to slow, cant take the pressure, may hit once or twice in the check or may open just a hair before the rabbit is up. not really that big a deal but that could cost you points in a trial, but those type can turn out to be awesome gun''meat'' dogs.

[rabbitearl]

Give me a place were there are lots of rabbits,a gun and lots of shells.I will take the meat dog any day.Not my kind of dog but just get out and kill rabbits.There hard to beat.

Now Lee.You said to get out of NC an go to Midwest and there is were you will find meat dogs.Now are you saying nobody in NC has any meat dog? Are you saying These men that runs a big pack trial dog in NC an SC are to slow to run a Midwest trial.If I had any dogs I would say up frount that my are to slow.But these guys that run in big pack trials.I would say theres are just as fast as Midwest dogs.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

A meat dog of mine is something i can slay rabbits with , come to a trial and beat ur azz with. Go home clean rabbits drink beer sit back and look at my ribbons..................Period.

[Casey Harner]

Give me a place were there are lots of rabbits,a gun and lots of shells.I will take the meat dog any day.Not my kind of dog but just get out and kill rabbits.There hard to beat.

My opinion of a meat hound is a dog that is a good track dog, but better yet great jump dog. Of course going to a populated area of rabbits will make a cull shine, put me in an area where few rabbits are at. Where a hound has to display his jump ability and brains. A dog that is there to jump and run, then over take. That's my opinion of a meat hound.

[Lee Cockman]

Now come on Earl I would be as dumb as a lot of other folks that live in NC if I said what you are trying to imply.