I have seen some that can do this to you and it just kills me when it happens. The dog will grab the line run it for 50 yards silent and then open up burning like hell as soon as the other dogs catch up he will get tight with his mouth and you will hardly hear him, but as soon as he pulls a check he will get away from the other dogs and he is super fast so they may not catch him for awhile because he can handle the line when he has it by himself. This can make for some hit and miss running and some frustrating days, a dog like this is just over competitive in my book.
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beaglebill
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I dont think a dog like this runs well with the pack what do you foks think? A local fellow has a dog like that he said he was taking it to the trials i said to myself i dont think that will work. Guess what .he made it a champion. How can a dog be a champion that the other pack members can hardly here for it is long gone with rabbit. It is taking those big circles hits the line dont open up till it wayyy out there. Granted it gets a lot of jumps and checks but a judge cant stay up no way. By the way i am happy for the guy..lol I guess being a pack member gets you no points.
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New York Hillbilly
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Big Dog,
In the hounds I have seen do this they are more often than not attempting to steal or sneak off with the game. I have seen it in hounds who have been run solo all the time and then are put in a faster pack than they are used to runningwith. When they feel they cannot keep up the pace of the pack they decide they do not want to share and try to sneak off on it alone. I also think a smart hound can get frustrated by a bunch of hard drivers who continue to blow up the race that then rely on it to figure things out only to have the front taken from it again. I can't speak hound so it is only a guess on my part but I think it is along the same lines as when a hound gets sick of a mouthy hound and quits harking in to it. Often it can be a heck of a hound and I might try running it with fewer and perhaps less aggressive pack of hounds. I have even seen hounds get sick and tired of running with the pack and it split off and go and run it's own rabbit. And then I have also seen "older" die hard hounds resort to this when they began to have a hard time keeping up with the pack and still have to much heart and desire to ever quit. I think the way you mention your hound opens hard on it's own yet goes silent when the pack takes over may be because it figures "ok guys you take it" but when it has enough of them it tries to go off on it's own. . So I guess what I'm saying is that it might not be a "game hog" but rather a smart beagle who feels it is running with a bunch of nitwits and would prefer not to keep their company.
As you said he can run it fast, without problems when by himself but when the gang is their he has trouble. I would wonder what the others were doing to the run. Good luck to you and thanks for an interesting topic for us to think on.
Peace,
NYH
In the hounds I have seen do this they are more often than not attempting to steal or sneak off with the game. I have seen it in hounds who have been run solo all the time and then are put in a faster pack than they are used to runningwith. When they feel they cannot keep up the pace of the pack they decide they do not want to share and try to sneak off on it alone. I also think a smart hound can get frustrated by a bunch of hard drivers who continue to blow up the race that then rely on it to figure things out only to have the front taken from it again. I can't speak hound so it is only a guess on my part but I think it is along the same lines as when a hound gets sick of a mouthy hound and quits harking in to it. Often it can be a heck of a hound and I might try running it with fewer and perhaps less aggressive pack of hounds. I have even seen hounds get sick and tired of running with the pack and it split off and go and run it's own rabbit. And then I have also seen "older" die hard hounds resort to this when they began to have a hard time keeping up with the pack and still have to much heart and desire to ever quit. I think the way you mention your hound opens hard on it's own yet goes silent when the pack takes over may be because it figures "ok guys you take it" but when it has enough of them it tries to go off on it's own. . So I guess what I'm saying is that it might not be a "game hog" but rather a smart beagle who feels it is running with a bunch of nitwits and would prefer not to keep their company.
As you said he can run it fast, without problems when by himself but when the gang is their he has trouble. I would wonder what the others were doing to the run. Good luck to you and thanks for an interesting topic for us to think on.Peace,
NYH
When my life on earth is ended....this is all I'm gonna say...Lord I've been a hard working pilgrim on the way!
I was thinking the same thin NY Hillbilly. Although, I gotta admit, I didn't quite think it through as far as you did. But I too would have to wonder what the rest of the pack was doing to blow up a line one dog could pound solo. Food for thought on if the one dog is wrong or is it the pack. Is the whole band out of step or just one guy? I think sometimes it CAN be the whole band.
I'd have to agree with you Hillbilly. I'd say that the dog is actually smarter then given credit for. I have seen this happen many times with coon hounds that learn after many many nights of trailing ole Mr. ringtail that if they shut up and "DRIFT" a track they can sneak up closer on their game. These dogs are a creature of nature that in the wild would persue game to fill their stomachs. A lot of the smart ones learn that it is to their advantage to shut up to put up. They are shortly rewarded with the fur in their mouth. I believe it is the same with some smart beagles. After a good hot run and then a hard check they get tight mouthed to sneak up on that rabbit. I believe that they are persueing to catch regardless of their speed and have learned if they shut their mouth they will be able to heat the track up and get closer to their quarry.
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tnbeagleman
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sometimes you got one dog that has the line and takes off with the line and a bunch of mouthy me two'res back in the check area trying to figure out whats going on and a bunch of kennel blind handlers blaming the dog that done it right, I've seen it work both ways, I personal don't like adog running round and round in a check area boo hooing when it gets the line bark and go if it aint got it keep it's trap shut, If it barks I want it moving. thats what I gun hunt with The great thing is we can feed what and run what we like, thats why we have different formats isn't that great too. I f we all had to run in one it would be awful every dog there would be faulty.. The main thing is enjoy what you like and don't be pushed or persuased to run what pleases others but you really don't like. Tried that it's no fun.
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houndsound
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Hey wardog, you should get ahold of me sometime. I live in Jasonville now. If you'd like to run some rabbits or just visit and talk dogs let me know. 665-9406 523 S. Meridian dannykeller1@yahoo.com
later,
Danny K.
later,
Danny K.
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lamarr rhoades
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"How you supposed to kill a rabbit if the dogs not barking?"
I generally shoot'em!.
I have some stealth beagles that give absolutely no mouth on the track.I have found that because of this the rabbit is usually moving slower and I can hit a greater percentage of them.Sometimes the dogs get up very close and the rabbit has a heart attack and I dont have to use any shells at all.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
WWSD(What Would Swing Do?)
I generally shoot'em!.
I have some stealth beagles that give absolutely no mouth on the track.I have found that because of this the rabbit is usually moving slower and I can hit a greater percentage of them.Sometimes the dogs get up very close and the rabbit has a heart attack and I dont have to use any shells at all.
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel
WWSD(What Would Swing Do?)
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Alabama John
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Folks, I see nowhere in the post where anyone stated that the dogs were "SILENT". What was stated is that, they would run away with a check or a line for about 50 yards and then open. There's a big difference with being tight mouthed and silent. I personally wouldn't own one like that as I don't go to shoot rabbits I go to listen and watch the dogs work.
J. Murphy, I figured YOU were joking as a matter of fact I got a chuckle from your post. I was visualizing what it might look like to see a briar thicket lite up with different colored, flashing, strobe like collars on a pack of dogs. That would be better then the fireworks show on the 4th of July. The rabbits would probably even be wearing sun glasses from all the light.
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beaglehandler
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Question: I have heard Ralph Saunders say they are looking at the rabbit. The dogs were running full speed and giving tons of mouth. I have a female that is 3 years old now and will not give any mouth if she is sight chasing. This same female has ran down and killed 4 rabbits in her short life. When she sees a rabbit it's like shut up and go full speed. Is this a fault ? Why ? I do not trial so it does not matter to me other than her killing rabbits, which I prefer not to do.