Letter from AKC

[mybeagles]

The only way this will stop is to DNA all dogs. Will it cost more money, of course. But how much time and money is lost when you raise a dog and find out you cant breed, trial, or register it? I know of more than one guy that has told me they switched papers or put a different sire on the paperwork. The longer we wait to make DNA a requirement, the more people that will be hurt when all the fraud is uncovered.

The higher costs associated would discourage the guys that flood the market with low quality beagles and force them into the grade beagle market where they could breed anything they wanted.

Sorry if I detracted from the intention of the thread. Its very unfortunate that these things happen. Sometimes its intentional sometimes its accidental. In both cases its careless and inexcusable. I would hope in either case the guilty party would step up and make it right.

Mybeagles

[Tsa la gi]

Yoteslayer,
At least they are trying to do something about it,instead of sweeping it under the rug like they did with my Kojack Hound.and letting people think they really know thier hounds lineage.
Chuck

[yoteslayer]

The matter is under investigation at AKC, i trust they will sort things out. I have talked with many different people today in the matter. I honestly beleive this was an unintentional mistake. Im just glad it was found out now and only affects a few people. There is no doubt in my mind that my dog has 1/4 basset hound in him. Here are the pics of my dog.

[yoteslayer]

Yeah im glad they sent me a letter. I called AKC and they were very helpful and explained the entire situation to me. They told me that all parties involved are being very cooperative and things should be sorted out very soon. They told me they will send me another letter explaining my options when the investigation is over. If the sire is deemed AKC along with the dam, i would assume they would allow me to keep my dog registered but I would decline at that point.

[Tsa la gi]

I had three of these hounds,Kojack, as good a lookin hound as any. Hondo put together similar to yours. And another one that died, as perfect a show hound as any one had. I know that there was a fluke some where. I gave him and a litter of pups away. AKC WIll not talk to me, they swept under the rug says its been to long.Yet they still keep reg,and takeing money from folks breeding the same hounds.

[chris1971]

Basset hound for sure. Sucks i know but you can tell by the splayed feet.

[S.R.Patch]

The owner of the bitch is the breeder. This discretion happened on the sire's sire side of the pedigree, years before this breeding. I'm sure this breeding is legit, it is the ButkisXAbby cross that is in question, tho the bitch side is unknown(proven)dNA .

To buyers, those that want the dNA on both sire and Dam,... buy only from those who willingly DNA both,...don't force others(by making more rules) who have integrity to spend more money on what they already know. Some want less Government and less AKC in their lives, others want more to protect them from poor decision making, because they don't do their home-work.
I do agree tho... if a stallion hound is going to be put on the public market of stud, DNA assurance on the hound's linage and producing power, before breeding is a wise choice. I would think a owner of a stallion hound would make sure his hound was a producer of quality hounds within his own kennel, before he offered him out to the public. This would mean he's produced a number of litters within that kennel that have proven his producing qualities worthy as a stud, then, the public demand would necessitate that he be DNA profiled. The public can keep "the cart before the horse", if they'll just give the matter a little intelligent thought... jmho

ps... my goodness, your hound certainly does "smack" of basset influence. but there are a number of federations that run slower hounds that look to me a bit Bassetity

[Ron Conroe]

hate to say it, but it does look like a basset.you should get your money back. i would be pissed.

[S.R.Patch]

I got the "cart before the horse" myself... ...meant, "horse before the cart"...

[Tsa la gi]

sr are you ok????

[Keyview Beagles]

Yoteslayer,

Very sorry to hear this about your misfortune... I hope that the answers you seek will come. Very sad to see that there is this level of dishonesty when it comes to DOGS. I have not been contacted by AKC but I was not the owner at the time of the cross either.

S R Patch,
I am not aware of any "discretion", I think you mean discrepancy on the pedigree of Butkus. However, you may have created a brand new rumor o why Butkus is no longer a "stallion" at stud. He must be a Bassett!

[yoteslayer]

Well the guy I bought him from is in the hospital in a coma, so getting my money back is out of the question.

As far as what happened, here is what I have gathered from the people i have talked to today. Ackerville abbey was taken to GB kennels to be bred to butkus, this breeding happened and abbey was taken home. She was indeed bred to Butkus, what happened after that is the mystery. Was she bred by another hound? Yes obviously. Was that hound a basset, Yes. Are some of the dogs from said beeding sired by 2 different dogs? Possibly. Was the sire of my dogs sire a basset hound? Probably. Im very interested to find out the results of the DNA testing, im not even mad anymore. At first I was furious, now I realize I have a hound that hunts rabbits and thats what I was looking for in the first place, i was also hoping for a dog to trial but thats not gonna happen now. So do I own a bassle or a beaget????

[yoteslayer]

Tim which dog do you own?

[S.R.Patch]

Chuck, I completed 35 yrs. of shift work last Oct. an your asking me if I'm ok? No,

yotie, maybe I left off the (in)discretion. as to what was the actual breeding pair...

[nhharris78]

Tim owns butkus .