extra barking on a rabbit track..

[Jwagner]

I don't like a dog that comes off the tailgate barking or a dog that barks all over a check or what you call grubbing. But if they got the line and are moving out they better be pouring out the mouth. To me that dog walking out the line making forward progress and not barking is a fault/lack of nose. I know this might not have been the case that night with you. when that dog come across the road barking, when you had been standing there for 15 mins. But what about a dog that does that and before you know it here comes mr. rabbit back across the road. Theres know snow right now, so that rabbit could easily crossed before you got there. want to know what I call that, nose power. I wasn't there so maybe that dog was barking foolish. But if a dog can take an old track and run it and produce the rabbit. I will take that dog, over the tight mouthed dog that says nothing on a fairly hot line its making forward progress. Everyday of the week!!!

[Tonyallen83]

Amen Jwagoner It makes me sick to see these post up holding hot nosed dogs any dog will make a mistake but I'll take the one that tries to run the rabbit every time if there is a rabbit track there than they should bark as long as they are making forward progress I'm no expert but I'd say some simply caint run a rabbit and I'll take a little extra mouth or mistake if it means they bring the rabbit to the gun or put it in the whole this is what they are supposed to do.

[See low]

nose has nothing to do with mouth guys, ive heard people say that and time and time again i have found it to be untrue all my life.. and no i DO NOTwant my dog pouring it out when hes walking a track progressing or not... there mouth should be destictive... if a feller tried to kill a rabbit to a dog thats always pouring it out, they would cock there gun til there thumbs turned blue.. in my opinion we try to hard to find good qaulity in some of these dogs and deep down we know that they should be sent to ole santa clause...

[See low]

and i would also like to add that a slow dog that never hushes will tear a race up just as fast as a rough dog that cant run a rabbit....

[Tonyallen83]

Am I confused? The pack is running a rabbit which comes into a road and goes either up or down the road which they usually do where I run. Now older more experienced dogs will immediately check the other side but if the rabbit has gone up or down the road it's not there. Maybe some of you veteran hunters can help me what next what are the dogs supposed to do?

[Tonyallen83]

See Low sounds like something I've heard before you should list a name and use quotation marks when you are quoting someone else you guys are hilarious and so blind.

[See low]

t-83.. it has come to my attention that you may have a loose mouth dog... listen everybody likes what they like. if a dog is in the road and can RUN the track yes i want them to bark as hard as they can RUN it.. but no i do not want a dog that goms in the road barking... what do you say if a tighter mouthed faster dog has already took it down the road not barking.. and gets it out of the road and takes it on in style has yours done the best job there.

[Jwagner]

See low explain to me how a dog making forward progress on a hot line not barking has nothing to do with nose power. I will tell you what I have seen in all the years I have been rabbit hunting. A dog that is really tight mouthed when conditions are ideal and makes a lot of forward progress with out barking are not worth a darn when it gets real cold and nasty with old crusty snow. To each their own, but if I'm going to feed them when they are making forward progress be it walking or flying on the line they better be barking. I'm not talking barking to bark or barking back and forth on line. I'm talking when a dog gets enough scent to move the track forward they should be barking.

[nchunter102]

One man's junk is another man's treasure. I don't feel strongly against ANY format of dog, but I do have my preference. If people think there dog is better then yours, who cares? Maybe I just don't take this serious enough, to me it's all about having fun. Of course I'm like every other person in this sport and I strive to have good dogs with the qualities that I like, but I don't put down anyone's dogs. Everyone is looking for THERE perfect dog, and your perfect dog won't be perfect to everyone else. Who am I to say what they like in a dog is wrong just because it's not what I like?

[Tonyallen83]

I'd say you will be running alot by yourself because if your tight dog takes the line without barking what's the rest of the pack supposed to do. Get real See Low I Know you know better this is just funny.

[See low]

jwagner'; i agree that a dog should bark when they are making forward progress... but you said they should be pouring it out and to that i do not agree all im sayimg is you cannot fault the dog that takes it across the road silently.. it did the same thing just without the mouth.. ive had my dogs branded rough because there faster than the other dog and they already took it cross the road and tore out every breath on the other side.. they say they feed off dogs or swing to hard

[Tonyallen83]

See Low what do your dogs do when the pack finally does catch them? Just curious.

[See low]

What do you mean, what do they do. they dont stop and howl..lol.. listen i have front end minded hounds... they are constanly fighting for the front. they better go on.. now when the rabbit is lost they will start lookin for the rabbit track... but they will not stand in 1 spot or i will not own them...

[Casey Harner]

My ten month old male to me has brains to know when to open up and when to shut the heck up. I have seen this male over run the line and when he has ran no more than mere inches off the line he shuts up and tries to regroup and find the line again. When he has it he is barking. I like to see a dog run across a road barking. The way I see it if he has the nose and confidence to do this then that's awesome. But if he is unsure then I don't want him to say a dang word. My male on many different situations has ran a rabbit right across a gravel road on humid and hot days. Then there are different times where he couldn't smell or unsure about the direction of where the bunny went. He would cross the road eventually and pick the track back up in the briars. I do feel he has an awesome nose, but all dogs have their days. I do not fault him for not barking across the road. Now I would be really mad if he ran across the road barking like he was sight chasing the rabbit and then not bark on the other side. I rather have a dog that was smart enough to bark when he has it and shut up when he didn't have it.

I also hate when dogs bark in the check. When it comes to a check my opinion is shut up until you find it. I have seen a few dogs at trials that will bark out of a check and run with it for a few feet or yards then shut up. I believe that's lack if brains and lack of confidence. A confident dog will explode out of a check and run like he is sight chasing his game. If no forward progress is being made I want my dogs to shut up and look for the track, when they have it get it and go....

[dog]

some people say its brains some people say its nose , i dont know what it is anymore than anyone else , if i could smell a rabbit track i could probably tell you what it is but i cant , i do lean toward the fact that more nose means more mouth . i dont want a dog that runs around barking , i want them to have the track , i hear people say "honest mouth " to me honest mouth means they are barking on a relativly fresh rabbit track . that being said until i can smell one i have to trust my dog as to which one is fresh . i can use some common sence and see a dog is not progressing the track and i dont really care if its not progressing because it can smell good enough or if its because its stupid , either way its gone ! i ran some pups with a guy one time and had a rabbit run right down a railroad bed along the rail for about 40 yards , he has always prided himself on breeding for an honest mouth , my pup came over and opened and started working the line slowly but steadily moving it forward while his 3 ran circles around him obviously smelling nothing , his response was he" breeds for an honest mouth " i told him in a not so politely way " he should breed for a little more nose " i can tell when a dog has the line wether it is opening or not , i have a male that will hit the check , blow out on it for 8 or 10 yds before he opens , another male that will let you know as soon as he has it , both are smart dogs but the one that has a little looser mouth is my best jumpdog , he will get 80% of my jumps , seems to have rabbit smarts , have seen the tight mouthed dog run behind the other not smelling a thing while the other is pouring it on while driving the line , so until someone can smell a rabbit and tell me wether one has a better nose than the other or one is stupid im just going to run them and have fun !