Beagles Without Papers

[bill huttozac]

mtthwvn73 -- To respond to your question of what is a grade dog worth. As you can tell by the comments there are lots of personal opinions on this one. Grade dogs and papered dogs have one thing in common, no one can honestly say what a dog is worth. Too many variables such as: How badly does a person want the dog? How much disposable money will the person part with? How badly does the person want to sell the dog? et al. I raise linebred Gay dogs and place a price, which is firm, on my dogs. The price that I place on them is their value to me. Long story short..... Like any other commodity or service, a dogs value is no more or no less that someone is willing to take or pay for it.

[rabbitsmoker]

There is a man comes thru here once a month that people sell beagle pups to he gives 100 a piece for ever how many you got and the same if you hand him papers the only must is 6-12 weeks old and healthy I dont know where they go never sold him any but thier are 3 kennels here that meet him about every month i think thier making the bucks I hunt and look at the dog it doesnt impress me when showed a set of papers and ped just because AKC has them Reg However that impresses some and thats thier buisness Like my dad used to say set the papers on fire tie it to ther tail and watch them run lol However when i try a dog i dont even ask the question are they Reg it want me no differance on the price The most i have ever give was a grade dog the best dog i ever saw run was grade Its all in if a guy wants a rabbit dog are a reg dog thats not as good if you looking at 2 to pick 1

[RunninHard]

I would pay just as much for a grade as I would for a papered dog, I have had papered dogs in the past and couldn't tell you what their blood/back ground was (I look at the dog)
Are any of these Grade dogs for sale ? Any Reds ? Ever ran on snow ?

mtthwvn73, if the answer to these ?'s above are yes (color dont really matter though) and the dogs are not to far from Mich please PM me I am interested

[RunninHard]

mtthwvn73 -- To respond to your question of what is a grade dog worth. As you can tell by the comments there are lots of personal opinions on this one. Grade dogs and papered dogs have one thing in common, no one can honestly say what a dog is worth. Too many variables such as: How badly does a person want the dog? How much disposable money will the person part with? How badly does the person want to sell the dog? et al. I raise linebred Gay dogs and place a price, which is firm, on my dogs. The price that I place on them is their value to me. Long story short..... Like any other commodity or service, a dogs value is no more or no less that someone is willing to take or pay for it.

TY sir....

[bucks better beagles]

DJC said: "The way the economy is I dont think you will get more then $100 out of a grade dog no matter what the ability level. In a lot of areas people can get grade puppies for $50 or free. Versus an AKC registered puppy for $200 and up.'

DJC and any others with this opinion, I live in Michigan, you can PM me. If you have a grade dog with ability, call me. If you have some for free, I will take them. I also guarantee you, I will pay more than $100 for a good dog not matter its looks or pedigree.

I would NEVER pay $200 for a puppy regardless of what it is out of. A puppy is a crap shoot. I have owned too many to ever buy an unknown quantity simply because its daddy had papers of some sort.

Now, having said all this, I will also buy GOOD pedigreed hounds but only if they meet my expectations which are pretty high.

I have room right now for two dogs that will do what they should do in a foot of snow or so. Call me.

[rabbitsmoker]

Bill is right ther is also some that has outstanding dogs that will not sell a dog for alot of money I own a female i raised that can run a rabbit longer then Any hound i have ever owned without a loose seen her run one for 1hr and 17 min before a check and done it with speed and authority and about every time out A guy seen her and offered me 1000 and i turned him down People are so differnt the next offer i got was 350 this just a example on how they sell She is AKC Reg but that question was never asked Ruby is really my grandsons and will die here moey s not everything (Yea im bragging on her because i have never raised one like her in my life and got a 11 month old pup out of her thats looking good i have never had such luck i really prayed hard over that litter before i give up lol sorry off topic)

[Kerry Nelson]

I have both and they all have good and bad points. If you want to compete then they need papers, if you want to kill rabbits then you can do this with both. I have to agree it is a little harder to sell ANYTHING right now. I have to say I have sold more lately for less because feed, fuel, and just about evrything has gone up but my pay! Ha! I like dogs that hunt and ones I can turn out anywhere and do not have to worry about their actions. Enough of my opinions! Kerry

[DJC]

I guess it's all subjective, and depends on what your short term and long term objectives are as a beagler.

[rabbitsmoker]

Lot of good points if i made a million a year i would get what wanted but with my salary i get what i can afford But i have raised my own besides 1 for 4 years now and with all honesty i believe thats the way to if you have the patience its alot of fun

[REDDOGSTTF]

I have been buying "Little Pack" style hounds the last couple of years, I like that style of dogs (what can I say)? Anyway a guy called me the other night and had a 14 1/2" 2 yr old GRADE female he was needing to move quick! (needed the money). He set his price $150 and then brought her to me, I did not nego. at all. He had bragged on this gyp in the past and I figured what the heck, I will see first hand what she's about. I hunted her this past Sat. and I be damned, she took the front and pulled 20 yards on my boyz and held it. MY MOUTH DROPPED! When I got home I called him and asked if he had anymore he wanted to sell. My dad always said "papers" don't run rabbits, but they sure can help sell a pup! Needless to say she will be getting reg. ARHA asap and will hit some trials this year. I hope that run wasn't a fluke!

[Alabama John]

People here still equate the AKC dogs with Brace Field Trials. Many won't even look at one for sale. A non registered dog will get more folks to look at it than if you advertise it as AKC registered. Dogs sell for what of their ability matches the buyers needs or wants. That is all that matters.

ARHA, like UKC registering local grade dogs has helped some too.

[mtthwvn73]

RunninHard...PM Sent

Guys, Thanks for all the good advice. People around my neck of the woods I don't think would even take a beagle that isn't registered. Just about a month ago I lucked out and got a good papered pup for cheap (Skyview's Abby Lane X Johnston's Pro Singer) She's a really pretty pup, and I've been working with her at least twice a week to get her ready for next season, but we are also planning on raising some pups and since he has so many right now he's wanting to get rid of some.

Again thanks everyone for all the advice...maybe I should tell him that people are willing to buy before he takes them to the pound, lol.

Matt

[bill huttozac]

About dogs and pups being in low demand at present. I am beginning to think that there is more to it than the poor economy. I do believe that the loss of places to hunt or run dogs along with many reports of so few rabbits has dampened the wish to own a pack of hounds. I do know that once hunting dogs get into your blood, you are always on your way back to them. Looks like this year will find Beaglers with more dogs/pups that they need or want.

[wvduece]

i just sold a grade dog a few weeks ago got descent money for her too her daddy was akc but her mommy was a grade dog that i baught several years ago for 650 dollars she was a real dog but there are people that dont trial or show and dont sell many pups but wont have it if its not akc reg jb

[mybeagles]

The best dog I ever owned was a grade 13" male. I was new to AKC and bought into the idea that registered dogs were better. I sold him for $400 and consider it the biggest mistake I ever made concerning beagles.

Extreme hunt, good snow nose, very smart, ......tried to buy it back, offered $800 and the guy wouldnt sell it.

A guy gave it too me as 6 week puppy because he couldn't sell them w/o papers.

Mybeagles